Yes, I think you're correct Mr eagle: my mistake. Though it doesn't make much difference to me since at the moment since I suspect, like many other MTO3s at the top of the grade, I'll end up on the penultimate increment on AfC Band 5 with R&R protection to make my wages up and protect my future pension long-term until I leave anyhow.

This means zero pay rise under AfC for me, hence no back-pay, so I guess I'll be relying on the 3.225% from April then, on the old pay system. The back-pay dilemma I've described is only an issue if one actually gets placed on an AfC band with a higher salary than one is currently receiving.

If I were inclined that way I could suggest, perhaps, that I will likely have my nose rubbed in it, so to speak, if the majority of my 20-odd colleagues in the department where I work (who are now either in managers, specialist or supervisory roles after a recent reshuffle-squared) are placed on band6.

I suppose that I'll have to be a good-boy and wait for my back-pay due under the old system and accept my lack of "rewards" in the new system (plus limited future prospects and effectively frozen pay comparatively speaking) until "they" are awarded their increments onto the next higher salary, than they are currently on, on AfC band6 and receive their back-pay on the old system plus extras for on-call of up to 10% of salary.

Now there's a thought.

Whats happening here?

In the good old days one did not get your annual increase for months after the supposed date!!!!

Are the NHS trusts now paying it on time?

Mark

As mentioned previously by others the NHS and the staff side agreed a three year deal (3.335% each year) to enable effort to be directed to the AfC project.

However this years payrise does not look likely to occur as DH has not issued any Advance Letters. It is the Advance Letters which instruct the Chief Executive what to pay staff, I have confirmed this with Payroll, No Advance Letter No Payrise.

Payroll are under the impression that this last payrise will be incorporated with the implementation of AfC as it was expected that most would have assimilated by April. As we know this has not happened or likely to for the majority of people. Our Payroll says that it is still possible that DH might issue the AL between now and the end of March but don't hold your breath.

I will keep checking the DH website and will post if these letters eventually appear.

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Don't let them short change you Mr Ling, the AFC pay differences should go back to October 2004.
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No they don't, they only went live with money from Dec 1st which was changed to Dec 11th. So any hope of back money from 1st Oct for working overtime or call outs wont be happening. The pay review/changes only go live when your trust implements the AFC review. We have been done out of a lot of overtime pay. Holidays were the only change that was back dated.

DD

HiYa, obvious confusion here. It's my understanding that it's the new working hours that have had the implimentation date rescheduled for 1st December. All other terms and conditions will be back dated to 1st October.

"Agenda for Change implementation can now begin with most terms and conditions backdated to 1 October 2004, with the exception of assimilation to the new working hours which begins from 1 December 2004"

Quote above taken from DOH website.http://www.dh.gov.uk/assetRoot/04/09/73/53/04097353.pdf

NHS 3.225% pay increase - 1 April 2005

A large number of requests have been received from reps and officers indicating that NHS employers will not be applying the 3.225% pay increase to staff on Whitley grades on 1 April 2005. This issue will be discussed at the Staff Council Executive on 9 March. The management side have indicated that it will be confirmed that the pay increase should be made with effect from 1 April. Where employers cannot make the payment in the April pay, there will be backdating.

Fingers X

Bill

Bill

Does that mean that DH will be issuing the Advance Letters (AL) to Chief Executives on the 9th March. My understanding is that Payroll need these letters to action any pay increases.

Well done Richard, these look like Advance Letters so we should get the 3.225% from April.

Well done for finding this, Richard.
Does anyone know the April 2005 pay grades for AfC people.
We will be given the option of going over to theAfC grades in the foreseeable future and it would be good to have the appropriate information to base the decission on.
Robert