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#20404 - 09/10/02 04:45 PM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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The problem is that the design of the "standard" theatre doesn't take into account all the varied equipment different specialities trundle into them. Then there's the different layouts people have to use because some operations require access for the surgeon at the side of the patient - others at the head - and others between the legs eek

So how do the theatre staff overcome the problem ? With an extension lead they've bought from Woolworths because the Estates people won't supply one. And where do they put it ? On the floor - in 1/2 inch of spilt saline solution etc !

They're going to use extension leads in theatres no matter what we tell them or what the regulations say - because it's the only way they can make it work - so we might as well try and supply them with something safer than the six-way block at the end of the 5 Amp cable.
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#20405 - 10/10/02 10:13 AM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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It's a tricky situation Roy, yes they need to have points to plug in the equipment, but what happens the time they can't get access to type of protected mains block that I think you normally use there.
Do they use the "Woolies" one because of the custom and practice they are use to, or do they have the intelligence to not use something "dangerous" but would do the job anyway. confused
I fear it would be the latter.

I have seen many theatre designs that give adequate use of mains sockets, scavenging and piped medical gasses.
Does the problem boil down to money and closing the theatre down to bring it up to an acceptable standard. rolleyes
Surely planned maintenance by the Estates Dept. should take into account renovation and improvement.
Most hospitals I know have a program for continual theatre up-grade.
At this time this is surely when these problems can be addressed and rectified.

Another more radical solution would be to get the theatre staff to disconnect their "boogie box" thus freeing up vital socketry. shocked
Another pitch, if money was tight, would be to have the budget for theatre maintenanve spent on these above mentioned renovations instead of kitting out the coffee room with TV's, fridges, microwaves, coffee machines and better creature comforts than in most 4 star hotels. frown
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#20406 - 10/10/02 12:26 PM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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Come on Dave me olde wok smugglin mate.
Surely ye not suggestin that the hard workin,
under staffed, under paid, over stressed theatre
operatives should have all their goodies taken away.
That will mean they have to use the canteen with the rest of the plebs.
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#20407 - 11/10/02 11:25 AM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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I'm afraid Karl me old pop-tastic mate I've progressed on to smugglin' nose cones off Jumbo jets instead now. eek

Theatre staff use the canteen with the rest of us plebs shocked shocked
Surely I have been mistaken then when I notice would be Dr Green/Kildaire look-a-likes flying down the corridor attired in full blues/greens, clogs, facemasks and hats.

Of course they have already that morning swallowed their "anti infection control pill" and liberally sprayed onto themselves "germ guard". rolleyes

That would be the only reason I gather that when I pass my head in forward waiting I am screamed at for bringing my obnoxious bugs with me into a sterile environment. eek

The only other answer of course is all said theatre staff who stand in the queue in the canteen, at the WRVS kiosk and outside "having a fag" all change into their alternative/sterile theatre clothes before going "back inside"

I remember once sampling the delights of the canteen at a local hospital that shares it's name with a racecourse; outside the control of infection team were doing a big "sales pitch" as to hospital cleanliness standards and "controlling infection" within their Trust.

When I pointed out that that numerous "theatre types" were swanning past in their "pyjamas" and surely they were "transporting" bugs and spreading germs, her answer was that of course they all get changed " as soon as they get back to theatre". :p

I don't know many theatre staff who have numerous pairs of clogs to swap, I fear the squashed chip from the sole of the said clog probably found it's way into that "sterile environment" confused

When she became a little more chatty what she actually said was " ..what can you do with Doctor's, who's going to tell them off.."
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#20408 - 11/10/02 12:19 PM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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And therein lies the problem with most problems within the NHS. Such people as the deity groups mentioned by your good self are above and beyond the latching on and carrying of such bugs. Sadly we think we are of the same clone and therefore think we to can carry on in such a way. That is why the gods have appointed their angels (infection control etc)so ensure that we dont get out of control.
laugh
Ive also witnessed the immigration control problems involving chips from canteen to theatre, one can only assume that someone has told them the grass is cleaner there, or is it the bugs using the chips as a cover to get into a more favourable envoirement without being seen.
:p laugh

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#20409 - 14/10/02 06:21 AM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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Ah, gentlemen, these are our godly intemperance's, our medical untouchables hmm, one day, whilst walking through the Bamber Bridge Mews Louis wandered upon a grave stone that read&#8230;
In memory of my father: gone to join his appendix, his tonsils, his olfactory nerve, a kidney, an eardrum, and a leg prematurely removed by an intern who needed the experience.
I mock not gentleman. These people are not gods; they may think they are, but my fellow brethren, we all know better, don't we. As my American cousin Floyd Lyniswern told me :-

There was this city doctor who started a practice in the countryside. He once had to go to a farm to attend to a sick farmer who lived there. After a few housecalls he stopped coming to the farm. The puzzled farmer finally phoned him to ask what's the matter, didn't he like him or somethin'. The doctor said, "No, its your ducks at the entrance... Every time I enter the farm, they insult me!"

Says it all my friends, says it all
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#20410 - 17/10/02 12:40 PM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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Very Good.
Heres one for ye.
Engineers work on devices.
Doctors work on the human body.
If engineers had been given a device to work on over 2000 years ago would we still be saying we are not sure of how to fix it eek laugh wink
Does ye see where Im acomin from.

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#20411 - 19/10/02 06:11 AM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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#20412 - 19/10/02 06:11 AM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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Ostentation, my dear Karl, ostentation. So very true, oh how Louis laughs, ha ha ha.
Try this:- cool

Five surgeons are discussing who makes the best patients to operate on.

The first surgeon says, "I like to see hospital accountants on my operating table, because when you open them up, everything inside is numbered."

The second responds, "Yeah, but you should try biomedical electronics engineers! everything inside them is color coded."

The third surgeon says, "No, I really think medical librarians are the best;
everything inside them is in alphabetical order."

The fourth surgeon chimes in: "You know, I like anesthetics engineers ...those guys always understand when you have a few parts left over at the end, and when the job takes longer than you said it would."

But the fifth surgeon shut them all up when he observed: "You're all wrong. Estates Managers are the easiest to operate on. There's no guts, no
heart, and no spine, and the head and arse are interchangeable laugh :p
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#20413 - 14/01/04 09:50 AM Re: Extension Leads & Patient Connected Equipment
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Quote:
Originally posted by Roy:

We have been working with a local engineering firm who have produced a small stainless steel "pod" on castors with double 13 Amp sockets mounted on the vertical sides and protected from spillages by an overhanging top. They intend to market this in the very near future, so if you would like me to get them to contact you, send me an e-mail giving your telephone number.(and your name etc ofcourse !)
It is CE marked, by the way.
Roy has sent me some more information on this...

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Thanks Roy smile
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