#28433 - 11/03/08 08:14 AM
Re: Registration and Consultation
[Re: Geoff Hannis]
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#36721 - 09/02/09 02:29 PM
Re: Registration and Consultation
[Re: biomedbill]
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Sage
Registered: 17/09/06
Posts: 568
Loc: Hereford
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No.
I fix equipment, manage the equipment Library and hand out advice mostly.
Technical yes, healthcare yes, scientific not very often.
Lee
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#36722 - 09/02/09 04:50 PM
Re: Registration and Consultation
[Re: Lee S]
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Registered: 30/11/05
Posts: 85
Loc: Kent
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It's not really important whether you consider yourself a healthcare scientist, the issue is what the DOH considers you to be; and if you work in EBME or any similar discipline then you'll be amongst the ranks of Healthcare scientists. This almost certainly means you will be required to register as a "Healthcare Science Practitioner" if you are band 5 or 6 (possibly 7) or as a "Healthcare Scientist" if on a higher grade. There are quite a few good points to the HCS proposals (training and funding for it) but there are also bad points like no direct transfer route from practitioner to scientist meaning good practitioners that want to progress have to leave the post they're in to go on a three year (paid) training scheme that may result in a new job the other end of the country. Personally I consider myself as a healthcare scientist because it pays more 
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#36723 - 09/02/09 05:52 PM
Re: Registration and Consultation
[Re: biomedbill]
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Super Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 10279
Loc: the path less trodden
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I'd like to ask the question, do you consider yourself a healthcare scientist or not? , Bill (and thanks for the acknowledgment).  As I may have said before (?), the traditional (and, to my mind, correct) terminology for what most of us do is Engineering Technician (or, perhaps, Technician Engineer). This is regardless of what Ministry goons dream up. Meanwhile, what terminology does the Engineering Council use these days?
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#36731 - 10/02/09 09:39 AM
Re: Registration and Consultation
[Re: Paul Allum]
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Dreamer
Registered: 28/07/04
Posts: 23
Loc: u.k.
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Would you be able to direct me to a link, please, where I can read a bit more about these DOH proposals? I've heard they want to call us Healthcare Scientists, but Science Practitioner is new to me. I agree with Geoff, by the way, regarding the blurring of distinctions between engineers, scientists and technicians. It's not really important whether you consider yourself a healthcare scientist, the issue is what the DOH considers you to be; and if you work in EBME or any similar discipline then you'll be amongst the ranks of Healthcare scientists. This almost certainly means you will be required to register as a "Healthcare Science Practitioner" if you are band 5 or 6 (possibly 7) or as a "Healthcare Scientist" if on a higher grade. There are quite a few good points to the HCS proposals (training and funding for it) but there are also bad points like no direct transfer route from practitioner to scientist meaning good practitioners that want to progress have to leave the post they're in to go on a three year (paid) training scheme that may result in a new job the other end of the country. Personally I consider myself as a healthcare scientist because it pays more
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#36738 - 10/02/09 03:45 PM
Re: Registration and Consultation
[Re: Panander]
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Registered: 30/11/05
Posts: 85
Loc: Kent
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The consultation document is available at http://www.dh.gov.uk/en/Consultations/Liveconsultations/DH_091137It is almost certain that these proposals will come into force in some form and at this stage the best we can hope for is minor changes to the worst areas. (this appears to be mainly driven by the DoH desire to reverse the affect that AFC had on pathology grading structures) If you are in Unite/Amicus then contact your local rep as the union has been holding information/study days about this and they should welcome input. (Out of the ~55,000 NHS staff affected by this ~38,000 are Unite members with relatively few staff represented by other unions)
Edited by Paul Allum (10/02/09 03:48 PM)
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#50178 - 09/11/10 02:27 PM
Re: Registration and Consultation
[Re: Kevin Haylett]
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Registered: 30/11/05
Posts: 85
Loc: Kent
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"Modernising Scientific Careers" is starting the implementation phase with quite a few early implementer Trusts scattered about. No great thought seems to have gone into equipment management as yet since all the effort is going into "re-profiling" (for which read major down grading) of the pathology workforce. However once pathology have been well and truly seen to, no doubt, all eyes will turn to us.
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