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#24443 - 19/07/07 05:08 PM Mileage allowance
Robert Faulkner Offline
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Registered: 17/06/05
Posts: 10
Loc: leicester General Hospital
I would like to know what other engineers are claiming for their oncall mileage rate. I have studied AFC which seems to be open to interpretation as always. It talks about returning to work for O/T and T in Lieu but not specifically on-call. We are being told PTR rate (taxable) Which will cover the cost of petrol if your vehicle is reasonably economical but not wear and tear. Official AA figures claim about 38p/mile from memory for running costs.
Surely we cannot be expected to be out of pocket can we?
Is PTR appropriate, Can anyone tell me if there is a bus service running at 3am?
I would like to here your thoughts.

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#24444 - 19/07/07 05:15 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Robert Faulkner]
BSM Offline
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Registered: 20/07/01
Posts: 221
Loc: UK
Here, as far as mileage allowances go:

For planned overtime: PTR

For emergency overtime: Standard or Regular User rates apply.

If you are called out, it is imperative that you attand ASAP, so you get paid at the higher rate.

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#24457 - 21/07/07 05:27 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: BSM]
Dave Howell Offline
Scholar

Registered: 27/11/02
Posts: 69
Loc: Royal Surrey County Hospital
Hi Rob,
We now get regular user allowance a 40p per mile plus £63 per month instead of 53p per mile and nothing. Check to see what the gods get as we get about £83.00 per month for 9 periods of on call and the senior management £70.00 per night on call Hmmm I wonder who comes out when called.???????

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#24517 - 27/07/07 03:59 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Dave Howell]
Paul Allum Offline
Adept

Registered: 30/11/05
Posts: 85
Loc: Kent
Any on-call travelling time should be being paid at time and a half in addition to working time and travelling expenses, which should somewhat compensate for the PT rate.
Dave if the Senior management are taking the money and refusing to come out when called (without good reason) then it could be considered to be close to fraud, and with HR departments looking to cut costs..........

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#24656 - 06/08/07 02:04 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Paul Allum]
Robert Faulkner Offline
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Registered: 17/06/05
Posts: 10
Loc: leicester General Hospital
Thanks guys, as I suspected no particular rule. I would be intrested in more responses.

Paul I dont think you should have to be compensated. You should be paid for what you do at what ever rate has been agreed for the time that isn't yours. Your providing of a car for work is a seperate issue and you should not be out of pocket for doing so.

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#31078 - 30/05/08 10:59 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Robert Faulkner]
Pete Shulver Offline
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Registered: 30/04/03
Posts: 30
Loc: QA Hospital Portsmouth
Hi Robert.
We claim PTR for all training courses and such .For on call we can claim a higher amount ..I think 50pence/mile? I don't normally bother as i live quite close to work .
We get a fixed rate for being on call approx £90 for the week and then min 2 hours at 1.5X if we are called in.
This is for AFC rates .The guys who were on the old Whitley rate and changed to AFC still get a slightly better rate , but there is not much in it.

Cheers

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#31081 - 30/05/08 12:31 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Pete Shulver]
KM Offline
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Registered: 30/08/01
Posts: 728
Loc: LHCH
Ive been told that talks are taking place regarding the increasing costs of travel and the chances of increasing the current travel (mileage allowances) for on call etc by at least 10%.
However the unofficial source who told me this also insinuated that in order to get this tabled at union head office the unions need to have been asked by members to table it with DOH.

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#31703 - 03/07/08 09:14 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: KM]
Kawasaki Offline
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Registered: 14/01/05
Posts: 768
Loc: NHS Surrey
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7486191.stm

The news you have been waiting for regarding mileage rates.
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#31704 - 03/07/08 09:25 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Kawasaki]
Lee S Offline
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Registered: 17/09/06
Posts: 568
Loc: Hereford
Great!

Petrol has gone up to £1.20 a litre and our generous government is giving us a 10% increase after 5 years.

Lee
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#31705 - 03/07/08 10:25 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Lee S]
Kawasaki Offline
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Registered: 14/01/05
Posts: 768
Loc: NHS Surrey
At least we've got something Lee, better than a kick in the teeth!!!!
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#31708 - 03/07/08 12:22 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Kawasaki]
Lee S Offline
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Registered: 17/09/06
Posts: 568
Loc: Hereford
Sorry but after 5 years 10% is a kick in the teeth.

Lee
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#31712 - 03/07/08 01:50 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Lee S]
Paul Allum Offline
Adept

Registered: 30/11/05
Posts: 85
Loc: Kent
Since the inland revenue haven't raised their figures we'll be taxed on the increase too, unless you get public transport rate.

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#31714 - 03/07/08 02:46 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Paul Allum]
Kawasaki Offline
Philosopher

Registered: 14/01/05
Posts: 768
Loc: NHS Surrey
Don't complain too much Lee, the AA has calculated that on average it costs 47p/mile to run your average car. The mileage rate hike 5 years ago brought the level way above the running costs. Admittedly, fuel prices have shot up over the last 12 months and 10% increase doesn't seem to take this into account, but when your ahead of the game...????!!!!!
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#31716 - 04/07/08 08:06 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Kawasaki]
KM Offline
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Registered: 30/08/01
Posts: 728
Loc: LHCH
I wonder if I can swap my mileage allowance for a £24k allowance and run a flat closer to the hospital for when I'm on call. I may even change my job name to Medical Engineer MP. And set up a system whereby I decide my annual pay increase!!!

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#31717 - 04/07/08 09:48 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Kawasaki]
Lee S Offline
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Registered: 17/09/06
Posts: 568
Loc: Hereford
Yes but I have a 30 mile to the gallon Touran which costs mega bucks to service so is probably more expensive to run than the average car.

And before anybody starts, yes I do occasionally need seven seats!
And no I am not going to buy a cheaper car to run around in when I don't need the seven seats (on the green issue it uses much more energy and resources to produce a car than it does to run one for the sort of mileage i do).

Lee
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#31718 - 04/07/08 10:35 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Lee S]
Martyn Evans Offline
Technologist

Registered: 04/03/04
Posts: 44
Loc: Maidstone and Tunbridge Wells ...
See www.theaa.com/allaboutcars/advice/advice_rcosts_petrol_table.jsp for latest running costs as calculated by the AA.
The mileage allowance has not been increased since 1993!


Edited by Martyn Evans (04/07/08 10:38 AM)
Edit Reason: addition

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#31719 - 04/07/08 11:38 AM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Robert Faulkner]
Andy F Offline
Dreamer

Registered: 25/04/05
Posts: 25
Loc: Sunny Devon
Don't forget that the AfC TOC allows for half a passenger (!) for carrying equipment that is heavy (approx more than 20Kgs)or occupies a seat. With the new rates this is 2.5ppm - Every little Helps smile

But watch out for fight when you try to claim it...

Andy
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#31723 - 04/07/08 01:14 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: Andy F]
JIM GAVIN Offline
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Registered: 18/08/00
Posts: 276
Loc: CHESTER, COUNTESS OF CHESTER, ...
We have a local mileage rate and a public transport rate.

The PTR is presently £0.53/mile.

Jim
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#31725 - 04/07/08 01:38 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: JIM GAVIN]
KM Offline
Philosopher

Registered: 30/08/01
Posts: 728
Loc: LHCH
Jim just done the sums.(he!he!)
If you leave The Countess now you can get to me in 1hr 33mins.
that said you will have to walk for 14mins, train for 38mins, walk for 5mins, bus for 1 min, coach for 10 mins, walk for 12 mins.
Yes really thats the option to gettin behind the wheel (OR GETTIN SOMEONE ELSE TO GET BEHIND THE WHEEL).
See you at next meeting with your SAVAWAY ticket at hand.
NB
Yup you can travel from Broadgreen to Chester by Miseryrail on a SAVAWAY ticket now.


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#31728 - 04/07/08 09:08 PM Re: Mileage allowance [Re: KM]
PaulKWJ Offline
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Registered: 07/04/02
Posts: 130
Loc: NW UK
I wish my car did 30MPG Lee S, I'm happy seeing an average of 24 in my beast!! :-D
I don't really put that many mileage claims in, I only live about 8 miles from work and mostly can be bothered.
I know this trust has different rates for engine size and I they have different rates for On-Call, Return To Work etc.
I tend to worry more about my insurance policy. I keep meaning o look into being paid to drive into work during a call out session.
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