Hi all, after waiting 3 years for my AFC banding, and then having to fill in a JAQ form that was submitted last July I still haven’t had the result. Are there any other techs still waiting for a banding or am I alone?
Question: - do I have grounds for a grievance due to the time taken?

Thanks for listening
Andy

Hope you get it sorted mate. Give HR a ring and try probe them to see what can be done.

I have a grievence against my trust for not giving me my pay incriement grr

I don't think that you need to take out a grievance just yet. Assuming that you haven't already accepted an AFC deal, you will be able to backdate the final offer to Oct 2004. If you get a lower grade than present then you have the option of NOT backdating. We have just got to the JAQ stage ourselves. Good luck with your claim.

Just received my banding mto3 to band 6. Losing £54 a month (no pay protection) Next pay increment in October will bring my pay up above the £54 loss. What is the policy on paying back any money owed for the past few years?

Now all you have to wait for now is first for your payroll section to put you on your correct band and then work out your backpay until Oct 2004. Taking your banding has taken this long how long do you think they'll take to do that then!

You should also check out that no pay protection thing, perhaps someone else might want to clarify it but my understanding was everybody got pay protection. It might not be down as pay protection since in some situations it was better to pay it as recruitment and retention instead

Sorry inserted in wrong place
Contacted my salaries dept today and they say £54 will come out this month and I owe £54 per month for the last year and I presume I owe money for 2007,2006,2005, as my salaries dept informs me that pay protection was only until 2005. What is the procedure for paying back money? Can it be removed in one go? Have you to be asked to pay back? or tell them to get stuffed?

OK, Pay protection runs until 2011 (2009 for early implementers). The relevant section of the "Agenda for Change: NHS Terms And Conditions Handbook" is copied below

"46.25 The period of protection will end when the total level of payments under the new system exceeds the level of protected pay, or when the protected person changes job voluntarily, or at the latest on 30 September 2009 for staff in early implementer sites and 31 March 2011 for staff in national roll-out. For protection arrangements in NHS Scotland please refer to the pay protection section of the pay and modernisation website:
www.show.scot.nhs.uk/sehd/paymodernisation/afc.htm"


Edit: Just noticed that you are getting increments still, so how can you lose money, and be on pay protection, as you must assimilate to the next highest point on the scale? (R&R would not apply since there are increments you can use instead)I notice that your increment is in October so presumably you were at the top of the MTO 3 scale?

Kaiser,

If you are assimilating across to AFC then the following applies:

"46.12 The following rules apply for assimilating staff into the new pay bands:
• Where basic pay before assimilation is between the new minimum and
maximum of the new pay band, staff will assimilate into the next equal or
higher pay point in the new pay band."

This is taken directly from the AFC handbook. Your new salary should br equal or higher than the old one. The only way that you coluld owe the trust is if you have worked a lot of overtime on Sundays. Sunday used to be paid at double time but under AFC it is only time and a half. In this case you may have to pay back the half-time that you earned back to Oct 2004.

Can't work out why you owe £54 per a month, unless you work the same hours every Sunday every week, I would have thought that if this over payment was due to the difference between double time and time and a half it wouldn't be so finite as this. (unless they've worked out you own them so much and this is a monthly repayment scheme?)

I don't have a copy of the Whitley pay scales for Apr 2004, but the top of the MTO3 band on April 05 was £27,808, whereas the top of Band 6 on Oct 2004 was 29,302. Taking into account that Whitley pay scales have not overtaken AFC, you could not progress beyond the top spine point of the MTO3 without re-banding, I would assume that this £54 was actually a mistake. If anything I'd ask for a clear break down from the salaries department of this over payment.

The only time I've known someone being asked to pay back money was when a appeal was upheld but pay protection was still paid after they were placed on the correct band. Since the salaries department had already cottoned onto this when I was re-banded I don't know if they had to pay back what was basically the trusts mistake?