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#46662 - 05/06/10 09:11 AM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: Neil Porter]
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To be honest (and, I must say, "as usual") I have no idea what he is actually driving at. frown

But (just in case it's something worth discussing) ... yes, funding and revenue are two different things.

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#46665 - 05/06/10 09:42 AM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: Neil Porter]
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Stay on topic please guys.
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#47257 - 24/06/10 10:48 AM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: Huw]
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So this is about revenue generating and also competing with the private sector! What then is the role of NHS when they have enough to cover within the group? What about protection for the staff when things turned bad and it involved litigation.
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#47271 - 24/06/10 09:11 PM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: Roger]
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Yes, it's about generating revenue. Competition? Unfair competition perhaps (that is, using test equipment and other resources provided by the tax-payer).

Yes, they already have more than enough on their plate(s) without scouting around for work "outside".

They are already protected as much as they need to be. Again, at the tax-payers' expense.

Don't forget that Umish was talking about a "Business Unit Manager", not a sensible, practical person! smile

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#47280 - 25/06/10 04:51 AM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: Geoff Hannis]
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What about protection for the staff when things turned bad and it involved litigation.


It is a bad practice, I have seen it first hand, the Biomedical Engineering staff working in the department are under great pressure to perform not only to serve within the Main hospital which they are based at and where their primary duties lie.

But also to serve other hospitals, outside and when dealing with breakdown of life support equipment there is added pressure to respond quickly and to get the equipmnent ie the anaesthetic machine up and running.

What the business Manager had worked out was it is cheaper to get the equipment serviced by an in house technician than pay GE $300-400 per hour!
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#47281 - 25/06/10 05:40 AM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: umish]
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But also to serve other hospitals, outside and when dealing with breakdown of life support equipment there is added pressure to respond quickly and to get the equipmnent ie the anaesthetic machine up and running"
If it is not working the end-user is not getting it back no matter how much he complains, that is how I work.
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#47284 - 25/06/10 06:51 AM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: Neil Porter]
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That is how you work in the middle east, but in the Western World it works differently.....



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#47285 - 25/06/10 07:31 AM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: umish]
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What? you return faulty equipment, just because you are under pressure. In fact the pressure you feel is self generated!
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#47306 - 26/06/10 06:38 PM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: umish]
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What we could call (for sake of shorthand) the Principles of "Biomed Best Practice" remain the same whichever "world" you imagine yourself to be in.

In similar vein, hospitals are hospitals, nurses are nurses, patients are patients, customers are customers (idiots are idiots) ... etc., etc. smile

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#47308 - 26/06/10 09:02 PM Re: Are EBME Depts expected to run as Business units [Re: Geoff Hannis]
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ok - this is going nowhere.
Thread locked.

I seem to have been doing this a lot the last couple of weeks.
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