Many a true word is said in jest, Lee.

But (as I may have mentioned before):- "Lead, follow, or get out of the way"!

How can you follow a badly managed establishement?
Does this mean the only option left is to "get outta the way and leave?"

im sure the "An exciting opportunity exists for an enthusiastic, self motivated and committed individual" exsists in any and every job you could ever think of. Is this the usual BS(baboon speak) buzz phrase? lol i think so!

Whether to follow (or not) is up to the sheep concerned. But they do usually trail on behind, do they not?

But yes, that saying could also be offering good advice along the lines of:-

"... get out of the way (of the door)!"

But please be clear that we don't always need to blindly (unthinkingly, and without comment) follow the Leader. In fact, the informed leader should always step back when necessary to give full rein to any other within the group who is able to take the lead (special skills, whatever) as each occasion demands.

As I may have said before, the wise person should be careful who he works for. If only because the credo of the organisation (the company, whatever) may be seen by observers to have rubbed-off onto (and supported by) the individual! Or, if you like, tarred with the same brush.

I'm not a great supporter of BS myself, and the "exciting opportunity" phrase is a tad over-used. However, such jobs do exist. When you work in Teams (as many of us do), "team building" itself is indeed an "exciting opportunity" for the Real Leader.

Frankly, it's the raw material which is (and seemingly always has been) in short supply. Perhaps I need to qualify that:- I mean, "in the UK".

Yes but Geoff that is the difference between ex-mil and NHS Indoctrinated management. I personnally always feel less is more when it comes to management.
Less management more work throughput, most of the people out there are capable of doing the job so let them get on with it. You do not need to stand over someone to make sure a job is done. (It can also be construed as bullying)
Due to people having to justify their existance we end up with more paperwork than an Andrex factory and as much use.

Sorry to have got off subject. You have to put that phrase in as 'Dull as dishwater so if you have any drive dont bother' doesn't really get you the best candidates.

I always feel that the person who you employ should not only have the ability to do the job but they have to get on with who is already employed.

Motivated = You get off your arse and find something when it is quiet.
Enthausiastic = Has ideas to improve the place, maybe even bring new ideas from previous employment.
Committed = As already stated it helps!!

I can't disagree with any of that, Billy.

As you say, good management should be (and indeed, is) transparent.

Like government, it should be minimal, in my opinion.

OK ... I'll amend the next ad. to include something like:-

"Only those considered dull as dishwater need apply"! Ha, ha.

Now that Billy's gone home, I hope I can get away with reminding folk that the original phrase was:-

"As dull as ditchwater"!

So, be sure to look out for that one in the next job ad. you see!

We still have an urgent need for a workshop based all-rounder in the West of England, by the way!

Hi Geoff, I,m back mate,time served, lash marks fading nicely

Let that be a lesson to you then!

By the way ... we haven't seen your CV yet, Mate.

as usual...

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