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#27538 - 22/01/08 11:11 AM
Re: VRCT renewal
[Re: Kawasaki]
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Lee S
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Registered: 17/09/06
Posts: 205
Loc: Hereford
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I last had an annual review in 2004, for the same reasons (excuses.
Lee
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Don't forget "we've never had it so good".
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#27547 - 22/01/08 06:55 PM
Re: VRCT renewal
[Re: RoJo]
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Geoff Hannis
Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 3026
Loc: the path less trodden
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Thanks for that link, Robert. Now we can see where all this is heading! Some of those previous hearings make sobering reading, but surely in the case of engineering technicians (ie, the likes of us), straight forward disciplinary action would be the way of dealing with such issues.
But have you ever heard of a biomed stealing from a patient (for example)? I can't really see where being on a voluntary register helps at all. Being "struck off" ... big deal! Theft is theft, plain and simple (that is, a criminal offence)! In fact, most of the offences which resulted in people being "struck off" where criminal offences (just take a look). Jail might have been a more appropriate reaction, I would have thought.
By the way, what sort of shortcomings would you have us brought before the Council of Elders for, I wonder? What would require anyone to be "struck off" the register? Falsifying PM records? Care to make a forecast on the range of misdemeanors that are likely to catch us all out? And, the corresponding list of available "punishments", of course.
It means that people will have to be up to date on current thoughts and that management will have to allow people to have the appropriate time away for this training.
I like that one, though. Put the monkey on management's back (where it truly belongs).
... are the public / patients looking at these Registers? indeed are they even aware they exist?
Well, we are (aware) now, aren't we? 
Edited by Geoff Hannis (22/01/08 07:23 PM)
Edit Reason: If you're guilty, you'll have to prove it!
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#27556 - 23/01/08 10:55 AM
Re: VRCT renewal
[Re: Kawasaki]
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biomedbill
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Registered: 22/07/05
Posts: 121
Loc: south yorkshire
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Picking up on the disciplinary thread. If a(n) HPC member commits a sackable offence then the trust will deal with that. What registration does is that it stops that person getting a job somewhere else by striking them off the register. The HPC is not the only body that could strike a person off. If for example the descision is made that we can only do our job if we are registered Engineers/ Technicians then we would have to comply with the rules of the Engineering Council UK. This would give us the Protected Title of Enineering Technologist, Incorporated Engineer or Chartered Engineer and we would have to comply with their code of conduct. The easiest way to register with the EC-UK would be to become a member of an institution which has been granted the Royal Charter such as the IET. Their code of conduct mirrors the CE-UK and can be found at IET code of conduct . Points 2 and 5 are particularly relevant. There are many reasons why the VRCT is not suitable for what most of us do but if we get our act together there is no reason why we cannot become registered professional Engineers/ Technicians. As an engineering professional we can take that with us wherever we go as long as we are working in an engineering environment. Having universally recognised letters after your name such as Eng Tech, I Eng or C Eng will give you much more status than Clinical Technologist. It will stop people coming up to you and asking "what does one of them do?"
The subject of being "clinical" is a contencious one. There are a range of biomed job descriptions out there. Critical Care Technicians and some Medcial Physics Technicians actually have "hands-on" patient contact(CCT's are part ODP and part biomed, some MPT's carry out nerve conduction studies). If you have direct patient contact as part of your job then the VRCT may be the best way to go. If however you do not have have patient contact then you could describe your job as being non-clinical and the VRCT is not for you. The reports calling for better regulation of healthcare professionals are aimed at staff who have direct patient contact. If you don't have patient contact then you cannot cause direct harm a pateint. If you do not repair a piece of kit properly it will only harm a patient if it is used on the patient by a registered healthcare professional. It is a similar argument to that of a cleaner not cleaning the patient environment properly. the patient may get MRSA or C.Diff. but the cleaner did not "give" the virus to the patient. That is why there is no Voluntary Register of Hospital Cleaners.
I'm sorry to go on but another area where the VRCT fails us is the entry requirements for our job. Under the VRCT the ONLY way to get registered is to complete a Clinical Technology degree of which there are only a handful throughout the UK. Where are the future biomeds going to come from? The content of some of the CT courses are not directly relevant to our jobs, Bradford for example focusses on Clinical Engineering with a large portion of mechanical engineering and very little electronics. As most of you are aware every biomed department is different, we all look after different equipment so our training needs will be different. What is wrong with taking people on with engineering qualifications and trainig them on-the-job? After all it has worked for us for decades! The only thing that should be looked into is how we recognise on-the-job training. Many biomeds have come into the job with C&G, ONC or NVQ qualifications but over the years have amassed a huge amount of knowledge, they do not get any recognition for this. Many experienced biomeds will be experts in their field but without a piece of paper from University, they are just another tech.
In conlusion:- "There is Another Way". The VRCT is not the only game in town!
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#27559 - 23/01/08 12:40 PM
Re: VRCT renewal
[Re: biomedbill]
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techman
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Registered: 03/11/03
Posts: 116
Loc: London
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'If you do not repair a piece of kit properly it will only harm a patient if it is used on the patient by a registered healthcare professional'.
Now there’s an interesting comment. Just how are the users supposed to know that you have failed in your duty? Surely they rely on us doing our jobs properly and not releasing faulty equipment for use.
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#27566 - 23/01/08 02:36 PM
Re: VRCT renewal
[Re: techman]
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biomedbill
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Registered: 22/07/05
Posts: 121
Loc: south yorkshire
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I am just illustrating the point that some of us have a degree of separation from the patient. The fact that a faulty piece of kit is put back into service is an issue that will be sorted out within the EBME department, i.e. does that technician require further training or was there a malicious act. Registration/ regulation does not prevent such an act taking place but gives guidance on what to do to prevent that particular individual doing the same thing again.
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