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#25701 - 03/10/07 01:12 PM
Transitional points problem!!
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SLR
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Registered: 15/07/07
Posts: 13
Loc: North
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We currently have a tech with three years experience who has been on transitional points suddenly finding himself in the position that the new starter in the department with no experience is going to end up on the same money as him (transitional points now discarded).
Apparently the unions agreed with this and he is finding himself faced with a brick wall at the moment.
Has anybody out there had any experience with this situation and if so how did they resolve it?
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#25704 - 03/10/07 03:05 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: Darren Magee]
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Geoff Hannis
Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 3044
Loc: the path less trodden
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Spot on, Darren! My thoughts exactly. Welcome to the Dark Side, Brother. 
Edited by Geoff Hannis (03/10/07 03:27 PM)
Edit Reason: He ain't heavy.
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#25706 - 03/10/07 03:31 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: Geoff Hannis]
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SLR
Novice
Registered: 15/07/07
Posts: 13
Loc: North
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This is fine when you're a young pup but not that easy on the dark side of 40.
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#25708 - 03/10/07 04:02 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: SLR]
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Geoff Hannis
Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 3044
Loc: the path less trodden
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You're obviously not referring to me, then, SLR (either that, or you missed my birthday celebrations just the other day). Which the two guys are you referring to, I wonder (the new hire, or the three-year veteran)?
No, my advice would always remain the same:- if a person is unhappy with his (her) circumstances, for whatever reason (and they can be myriad), then they should consider their position. And if it's all bad news, be prepared to move on. I've done it myself countless times. As they say, "life's too short"!
And the siren of the Dark Side beckons!
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#25713 - 03/10/07 10:38 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: Darren Magee]
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JohnBhoy
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Registered: 12/06/03
Posts: 107
Loc: Royal Berkshire Hospital
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He must feel pretty awfull about the situation, he can resolve it himself, leave !
There are plenty of employers out there who appreciate and value their staff above all else.
Darren
Come on we need more constructive answers than leave!
That is our ulimate trump card I agree, but be fair, peoples personal circumstances can greatly impact the timing of being able to play our card. It can be months or even years if you have children to consider.
I feel the main problem in all this is should have been resolved by AFC, instead they seem to have been created. Why all jobs could not have been banded at a national level is beyond me.
Now it is ridiculous, some people can be doing the same job but their contribution can be rewarded by as much as 2 bands difference - that is the unfair issue. He probably got banded wrong because his JD did not contain enough buzz words.
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#25714 - 03/10/07 10:47 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: JohnBhoy]
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SLR
Novice
Registered: 15/07/07
Posts: 13
Loc: North
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Well spoken John.
My colleague is actually the other side of 50 and looking for a peaceful life till he can retire, i doubt very much that he would want to start again in a new post.
He has approached his manager regarding upgrading / incremental rise to no avail and spoken to local union rep who basically told him "tough luck"
There must be a fair number of staff in the nhs who are affected this way.
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#25715 - 03/10/07 11:03 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: JohnBhoy]
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Geoff Hannis
Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 3044
Loc: the path less trodden
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OK, John, what your counsel to our unfortunate three-year man, I wonder? How about, take it up with his HR people?
The whole AfC exercise was a farce. How many thousands of man-hours were squandered on this pointless undertaking (all at the tax-payers' expense, of course)? Are things any more equitable now than they were two years ago (ie, before AfC)? Of course there should be nationally-applied policies in a National Health Service. But has that ever been the case?
The real answer (as I may have mentioned once or twice before), is to "privatize" the whole of biomed services for the NHS, set national levels of service (SLA's) that would be contractually enforceable, get some decent (and accountable) management in, let users pay for the service provided, and then let market forces prevail!
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#25716 - 03/10/07 11:12 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: SLR]
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Geoff Hannis
Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 3044
Loc: the path less trodden
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...(gulp, gag) ... that was me spluttering in my tea cup, SLR! I think everyone wants a peaceful life, Mate! So you expect some words of sympathy for a guy who just wants to cruise along to retirement? Well, he's not retiring any time soon, is he? If I was the manager, I think I might be able to support his case if the guy could demonstrate what contribution is expected from him for the next ten or fifteen years. On the face of things, I think I would go along with what the union rep said. 
Role on privatisation!
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#25717 - 03/10/07 11:26 PM
Re: Transitional points problem!!
[Re: Geoff Hannis]
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JohnBhoy
Savant
Registered: 12/06/03
Posts: 107
Loc: Royal Berkshire Hospital
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OK, John, what your counsel to our unfortunate three-year man, I wonder? How about, take it up with his HR people?
I do not know our Three-year man Geoff. Yes, I know your implying that is minimal experience, but let me add, I or you do not know his experience from previous employment. It would be unfair to judge when not in possesion of all the facts.
It does not require every biomed dept. to go private, but every department should have achievable SLA's. As long as the they are correctly resourced (which management should establish when setting up the SLA's) the depts should strive to reach these targets.
If they fail, and only then should the route to privatise the failing dept. be considered. I feel you are very cavalier on this topic Geoff. An efficient,fully functioning in-house EBME dept.should always be able to fend off private competition for the simple fact that they do not need to make a profit.
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