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#30414 - 02/05/08 04:33 PM
Re: Travel time.
[Re: Kawasaki]
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Paul Allum
Visionary
Registered: 30/11/05
Posts: 39
Loc: Kent
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These days Trusts tend to say that they are granting you paid leave to attend training courses, i.e. the course is all in your time, but they will give you a days leave to attend. This is great for the Trust but not so good for staff except in as far as you're more likely to be able get permission to go. At one point my Trust tried getting staff to pay the course fees etc. for training as it was deemed to be beneficial to staff, but that dropped when people refused to go.
Unfortunately AFC doesn't cover study leave so employers are freeish to do what they can get away with
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#30415 - 02/05/08 04:38 PM
Re: Travel time.
[Re: Kawasaki]
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D.O.A
Novice
Registered: 16/04/08
Posts: 18
Loc: Cider Country
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Well I have spent numerous hours on the motorway going to Philips,Drager & all the others in my own time in the last 10 years. This issue has never been raised in our department and there are a fair number off us. It will be an issue from now on and I totally agree that travel time should be included. I would say that lieu time would be our option because there is a blanket ban on overtime.
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#30417 - 02/05/08 04:52 PM
Re: Travel time.
[Re: D.O.A]
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Geoff Hannis
Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 3026
Loc: the path less trodden
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This sort of thing doesn't affect me, so I'll keep out of it, except to ask just one question:- 
"How do the doctors (and, for that matter, the managers) get treated when they are required to travel (in similar circumstances, and for similar reasons)"?
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#30419 - 02/05/08 05:05 PM
Re: Travel time.
[Re: Geoff Hannis]
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Eddie
Sage
Registered: 21/02/02
Posts: 510
Loc: Jeddah
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Jeddah to Berlin! and back again! "Happy Days"!
Being serious though we operate a "Business leave" system!
Travel, food and accomodation is all paid for by "The Company".
I think its fair as its the attendee who gets the most benefit (CV expansion etc)!
Ed
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#30420 - 02/05/08 05:07 PM
Re: Travel time.
[Re: D.O.A]
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biomedbill
Savant
Registered: 22/07/05
Posts: 121
Loc: south yorkshire
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We are up in arms about this at the moment. Originally we were under the Estates dept. and we were able to claim back travelling time, at overtme rates if it was out of normal hours. We were then put under Medical Physics who were adamant that we could not claim for travelling to and from training courses. There was a notional agreement that you could leave early to prepare etc. The problem Medical Physics have is that most of the courses that they go on are purely for self improvement i.e. gaining CPD points or academic courses. They don't understand that the manufacturers' training courses we go on are for the benefit of the trust/ hospital. The benefit being that we can save the trust money directly as a result of attending these courses. It can be argued that whilst attending manufacturers' training courses we are actually working and travelling time is part of this. We (our trust) are in the process of rewriting our study leave policy. I'll report back when it is finalised.
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#30421 - 02/05/08 05:13 PM
Re: Travel time.
[Re: biomedbill]
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Geoff Hannis
Hero
Registered: 12/02/04
Posts: 3026
Loc: the path less trodden
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That's torn it, Eddie ... now you've been and dragged me back in! I'm totally against any notion that "it'll look good on the CV"! So what if it does (or, in my experience, doesn't)? Sorry, old mate, but that's completely the wrong line to take (in my humble ... etc.).
In fact, I agree whole-heartedly with what Bill has just said ... courses, and the travelling involved (which does, after all, involve an element of risk) are both work!
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#30423 - 02/05/08 06:13 PM
Re: Travel time.
[Re: Geoff Hannis]
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Eddie
Sage
Registered: 21/02/02
Posts: 510
Loc: Jeddah
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I can only speak from my experience here Geoff! Factory trained "potentials" tend to get on the short list! especially if we are using kit in question. Again I am only speaking from my own personal experience! Please don't shoot the messenger! He's actually a very sympathetic chap! 
Ed
PS besides being an relatively experienced biomed, I am also a UK registered AP for medical gases and a UK registered biological safety cabinet inspector! SANG paid for this! I thank them most gratefully! (sorry  )
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