Yes you are right, there are very good people out there with degrees -I don't deny that. I suppose in this day and age where jobs are in short supply for graduates in industry there will be even more. I have always thought that Degree qualified Engineers should be doing something more in the way of designing rather than fixing as there Degree course goes in depth at a high level into complex mathematical calculations relating to circuitry etc.The words that come to mind are fourier analysis, quadratic equasions, J notation and lots of others.Mind you some of that was HNC level stuff. I don't know - the debate will go on. To get back to the subject - Bosses will pay their staff what they can get away with.If your face fits you might get a better deal too.They can always find reasons to give either a good banding or a not so good banding to their staff by either bending the rules or strictly adhering to the rules.There can be a whole host of tricks up their sleeves. Jordan should perhaps have a good think about his career as someone said he is being paid to do his HNC and it is a good qualification that is universally accepted at technician/field servicing level throughout the industry.My advice to Jordan would be to keep job till the end of his HNC and then he is in a good position to re-negotiate or move on.He does sound like he might have a better long term career than most