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Stew,

We also seem to be in a similar position whereas our assimilation appears to be roughly a band lower in our Trust in comparison to other local Trusts for similar roles.
We have made the an enquiry along the lines which you mention but have been told (so far anyway) that it bears no relevance.

As a matter of interest, how did you pursue the matter to such a fruitful conclusion?

Ivor

Does anybody have a MTO2 JD, I'm currently putting in a greavance and I'm trying to compare other ebme posts to mine.

Thanks

Chris

Ps. Tracy what did happen, was your post one of those that was so called retro-consistency checked as Amicus puts it?

I'd also appreciate a copy of the Job Description to add to the downloads area.

In fact, any job descriptions you may have.
Thanks,
H.

I did find a MTO2 spec by searching google for a post that was advertised last year at East and North Hertfordshire trust but I've not heard what MTO2's were graded at there, anybody know?

Chris
See if Eddie Wheelan and Joe Emmerson can help as they had MTO2s in their department that were recently graded.

Chris, I can supply an MTO 2 JD if you want that was graded at band 4.

Due to the sheer experience of my MTO2's, their abilities work unsupervised and on some reserved areas (NNU / Vents etc) we have submitted an appeal for Band 5. This should go through without any hesitation.

I would not consider starting anyone on a band 4 (Mto 2) unless they were brand new to the job. I think AFC has merged the 2/3 posts to some extent to give us the defacto Band 5 status for Medical Engineers. Obviously if somebody does not have enough experience, then over time KSF and reviews will correct this.

If you look at the national profiles the band 4 is only an (Entry Level) engineer, after a short time and ticks in the right places people should be moved to a 5.

The only differences between the 4 and 5 post according to the national profiles are in sections 2,7,9,11,12,14. There is not a lot of substance to any of it!

Give me a ring if you want 01524 583037

Regards
Joe

Kawasaki I've contacted Eddie Wheelan as I saw he's posted MTO2 results. Joe I'd like a copy of the JD, although I would have thought vents would be more specialist and would have justified a top band 5 or at least 6. Depending on how it was written it might improve my case.

One thing I have noticed is that a poorly written JD = a poor band. My profile was written early and we didn't get much guidence on it. At the time we realised this might be a problem and signed them seen but not agreed, but was later told sign them. Now with hindsight it can clearly been seen that this was not what was required and obviously has caused the matching panel a problem.

At Portsmouth we have been told that those staff who remain on a Trust contract will only get a 1.5% pay rise rather than 2.5% for those on an AfC contract.
Has anyone else had this discrimination put upon them?
Why do they want us to go on to AfC contracts? Is it so that they can hold future pay down by putting us at the top of a lower band?

Then what happens when we go for Foundation Trust status when pay is no longer controlled by national AfC rises? Do they give us a below inflation rise again but this time for all staff?

The government can look good by saying that the NHS pay rise is above inflation but that does not help if it does not apply to you.

Robert

Does Foundation Trust status have any effect on AfC? I thought the whole point of AfC was that everybody was (supposedly) paid the same for similar jobs whereas under trust contracts it was easy for the trust to pay what ever they wanted.

Of course it does rely on first getting assimilated to the correct band and if your at the top of a lower band after you've followed all appeal procedures and any grievance procedures if necessary, you could always apply for rebanding.

It maybe that you'd be better off under your trust contracts and what your trust is trying to do is to make the trust contracts less appealing so that everybody ends up on AfC.

Chris

Chris, the vents concerned were flow drivers, old sechrist stuff, and there also exisits some BIPAP units which also like to call themselves as a vent of some fashion.

They should indeed be at least a high level 5, bordering 6 due to the 'can do' and 'borderline' specialist work they do, however it is sometimes difficult to differentiate between *normal* and what is deemed *specialist* work.

Some might argue that Anaesthetics, X-Ray, Dental, Ultrasound, Scbu, Vents, ICU, etc etc.. are all specialist areas but where do we stop the measure? Someone might discuss that they are specialist in infusion therapy, Oxygen therapy, cpap therapy, flowmeter therapy, Defib therapy, hypno-therapy... argh..

I try as much as possible to make it equitable to people by allowing everyone exposure to most equipments (Continual Development), but reserving the band 6 status to those with both specialist skills AND the drive to provide additional responsibilities or duties suited to the needs of the dept.

I dont want to put myself in the situation where I would be forced to restrict access to courses for people in the fear that it would affect banding and budgets, however in the same breath I realise that other hospitals may well have Band 6 specialists in particular areas without these additionals.

I could just imagine that in some Trusts, courses will become a banding lottery used to provide benefits to some at detrement to others.

Just for info though Chris, the MTO2 JD's have all that good stuff removed as this was a very basic job description for an apprentice / supervised person in line with their whitley 1980's job description.

Give me a quick ring or something and I'll pass them on.

Regards
Joe