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Job Descriptions #73752
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Neil Porter Offline OP
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Good Evening

We are about to undergo a revitalization of an accreditation process, talking with the assessors I have mentioned that there is only one category of technician and that this needs to be changed (trying to do this for many years without success, but willing to give it one more go) What i would like is a brief job description/responsibilities of each of the bands in the NHS 1 to 8 if that is the current numbering system. I do not need the salary scales only the duties and responsibilities, .

Please email to nexroom@gmail.com

Thank you for your cooperation


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Re: Job Descriptions [Re: Neil Porter] #73755
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Perhaps looking at the national profiles for medical engineering technician might be useful?

Re: Job Descriptions [Re: Chris Watts] #73757
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Thanks Chris, I have downloaded those pages, but as you can see they are for 2004. Has there been any updates since then?

With MSD here in KSA we only have one level of technician, I have been trying to change it for years, I have newer contacts within MSD and I may have a chance this time, but updated documentation would help.

Regards

Neil


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Re: Job Descriptions [Re: Neil Porter] #73758
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I'm interested in your reasoning, Neil; how many grades of technician are you thinking of, and what is the rational behind it?

Are you trying to apply different salaries for each grade, and are annual increments in the offing?

Or are you simply hoping to make distinctions for special responsibilities and (or) skills?

In my experience, five levels of Technician has always been enough:-

1) Junior Technician (trainee)
2) Technician (many of these)
3) Senior Technician (team leader and (or) specialist - highest level at small sites)
4) Chief Technician (overall leader - only one per location, if at all)
5) Master Technician (Greybeard, and rarely seen)

Or, if you prefer:-

1) Apprentice
2) Technician : Class III
3) Technician : Class II
4) Technician : Class I
5) Technical Manager (Project Manager, or "Engineer")

There you have a clear path for career progression, hopefully based on merit, as well as increased responsibilities, specialist courses attended, and so forth; and tempered (only) by time served.

In many cases (small hospitals, and the like) only levels 2) and 3) would be needed; in situations where a lonely tech was always the only one in residence, level 3) would be preferred. But in most cases ("normal" sized district hospital), we would deploy techs at levels 2), 3) and 4).

We had something like this in Saudi MoH hospitals many years ago, and pay was based on grade (Chief, Senior, Tech), specialisation (eg, anaesthesia, dialysis, dental, lab, sterilizers, x-ray etc.) and - it must be said - nationality. As most situations were contractual, with a span of only a few years at most, promotion was, shall we say, rare; although salary increases were not unknown in certain cases. I would suggest that the NHS model is really about career progression and internal Pay Grades.

You will have noticed that I haven't mentioned educational attainments (what we used to call C&G, ONC, HNC etc. and their international equivalents); but obviously your Job Specs need to mention those somewhere. But something like this is what we used to look for:-

2) Technician : C&G
3) Senior Technician : ONC
4) Chief Technician : HNC

But, I must admit that, back in "my day", we did not place too much emphasis on all that; but rather were always more interested in "hands-on" (and in some positions, leadership) skills. smile

Re: Job Descriptions [Re: Neil Porter] #73761
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No Neil there hasn't been an update to that national profile since 2004 as there hasn't been a need for a new profile. NHS job matching the job is considered equivalent if it either matches the profile or has a maximum of five small variances (ie project managers having more budgetary responsibility but less HR responsibility) and still stays in the job score for the band. Hence there can be thousands of jobs wrote to this spec but still be equivalent.

Interesting Geoff added an extra level, profiles have

Technician Entry
Technician
Technician Specialist
Team leader

I'd expect a bell curve with most people on the middle grades.

Can you even get C&G electronics these days confused C&G offer 9210 but that's degree level and above.

Thus your looking at HNC minimum, but working towards a degree but the caveat here is or + manufactures training courses. So a lower level qualification would be considered if you had manufactures training.

Added to the roles above you'd also have the medical equipment library technician and departmental manager which would probably use the generic healthcare scientist profiles instead.

If your trying to justify a structure on what the NHS has it's probably best to go to the NHS Employers national profiles page and also download a copy of the job evaluation handbook

Re: Job Descriptions [Re: Chris Watts] #73762
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Yes Chris, your bell curve would be correct. smile

I suspect that good old C&G 224 is now long gone, sadly. frown

But don't forget that Neil's domain is Saudi Arabia - where different rules* apply.

For instance, if they wished, military organisations there (who have their own well-established and generally lavish healthcare facilities) could choose to run their own biomed training courses.

I recall Saudi biomeds who had been trained in the States - and even one who had fond memories of Falfield!

Trouble is, that a large number of biomeds - especially in MoH hospitals (of which there are many, but generally of "lesser standing" when compared to military hospitals) - are non-Saudis; and are already trained when recruited. But such training would likely to have been "variable" at best (or even, in reality, non-existent).

My advice to Neil and his mates would be to look into setting up a training course that all incoming biomeds would need to pass through before being deployed. It needn't be too arduous or long, but just enough to apply common basic standards - and to weed out the wheat from the chaff.

* And my spies tell me that little of substance has changed since my time there.


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