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Posted By: Umi Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 6:13 AM
Which Biomed on the EBME forum has serviced the longest time in the Magic Kingdom?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 6:38 AM
Left the UK in 1981, various countries, not only Saudi!
Motto WORK SMART - NOT HARD
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 8:08 AM

It would have to be my old mate Bob Wilcockson, I reckon (especially if he's still there)! smile

I last encountered Bob whilst jogging around the perimeter of King Fahd Medical City (that's in Riyadh, as many will know) in 2003.

But unless Bob is one of those who prefers to use a nom de guerre, I don't think we hear from him here on the forum. Which is a pity, as he would have a great deal to contribute.

Who is, was, has been (whatever) in the Kingdom the longest amongst those of us who get on the forum ... who knows (and why does it matter)? Let's all agree it is (was) Neil, and be done with it!

So, in answer to both your question and your PM, Umish ... many of us would have yesterday seen pictures of this written on a stone:-

Honourable age does not depend on length of days, nor is the number of years a true measure of life.

Meanwhile (and to save having to go through it all again), may I commend you to this earlier thread!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 9:15 AM
Welcome all veterans of arabia, but I would nominate Mr Nick Brown who has been in the kingdom since 1964 and is still hides inside a Linear accelerator at RKH military hospital over the weekend and claims overtime for doing so, that what you call "working smart not hard"! Neil?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 9:36 AM

Nice one! Yes, if Nick has been there since the days when I was still at school, then he must surely take the prize. smile

But, are you sure of that date? It sounds about ten years too early to me!

We used to hear from Nick on the forum, but it's been a while since he was on here. Is he still at RKH, does anybody know? Or perhaps he has moved on to well earned retirement, or some such thing?

For instance, Nick could usually be relied upon to respond (in some detail) to interesting topics like this one (which is well worth revisiting)!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 9:44 AM
Yes check the dates, especially as you have "stolen my motto" you could ask "Dr. Ibrahim Andijani" <iandijani@yahoo.com> as he is a biomed manager at RKH and is involved in Radiation Therapy
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 9:57 AM
Neil, I don't think it's a good idea to post peoples email addresses.

I know Nick well, I'll email him.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 10:04 AM

WORK HARD - NOT SMART?

Steady on, Neil ... you'll be starting a Mottoes War next! smile

Be Proactive ... Not Reactive (h'mmm ... now where did I get that one from)!

Or, what about:- Long Live Low-Life!

Or even:- Give 'em Something to Hate!

... anyone remember that one? (Tony?) smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 10:06 AM
Our Administrator Huw, will confirm whether Nick still lives in the Radiotherapy Department?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 2:13 PM
this morning, umish post read work hard play hard, then changed to work smart not hard, interested to know how old all this makes Nick Brown
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/10/09 4:34 PM

You've obviously inspired him, Neil! smile

But I can't help but wonder what will be next ...

SMART PLAY NOT WORK ... perhaps?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/10/09 4:06 PM

Techs who have not been out to the Desert may not be aware that the private healthcare sector is very much in evidence out there, with private clinics in almost every village of any size, and small (and some not so small) private hospitals in every town. And these days (as I have remarked before) Riyadh may well deserve the title of "medical city of the Middle East".

Whilst bearing in mind the other threads currently in play, I am now ready to pose the question:- "if PM is so wonderful, how come it's so hard to sell"?

Some years ago (out in the Kingdom) I set out to do just that. Many of the small hospitals I visited were very pleased when I delivered nice inventory lists for them to admire (having previously had ... er, nothing), but try as I might, I was never able to get any of them to sign up to PM visits per se.

Perhaps this should not comes as a surprise in a country where the inshallah mentality is not only de facto amongst the majority of the population, but is also official policy as well, but the best I managed was two six-monthly visits to "check" equipment. That, plus the occasional one-off repair. And, I might add, for lump-sum figures (no chance of hourly rates being creamed off there)!

Effectively (as far as fixed-price repairs were concerned), we were (I was) in competition with the official in-Kingdom agents (that is, the manufacturers' appointees, who had - and probably still do have - a monopoly, especially when it comes to gouging the customer). I could always beat them on price, but getting hold of parts was always the problem. But there were ways ... but here I digress.

Yes, in the Riyal World, PM is a hard sell. And I suppose that the lesson to be drawn is that it can only be done with any degree of success in countries where healthcare providers are "encouraged" (frightened?) by government legislation to have the kit looked at on a regular basis.

Although (of course) I advocate PM myself, you might imagine that an old Sheikh who owns a clinic or small hospital might see things rather differently, and simply prefer the "repair when necessary" model!

But (come to think of it now), the one "model" I didn't try was "Free PM" ... but, to be honest, even I can spot the flaw in that one! smile
Posted By: Kiwi Phil Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/10/09 3:39 AM
Hi

Yes PM is necessary for patient, staff safety.

But, we (I mean everyone) is not in the mind set now of servicing anything they buy. Lets face it when you buy a new car or fridge or wheelbarrow - you do not ask what are cost of ownership of it. And, the same goes for hosptals these days - we as Biomeds try to get involved in the purchasing process and put a cost of ownership spin on their purchase - but, how many times has a new piece of kit turned up at your hospital and you can see its going to be expensive, and no one else even worries.
Let alone asked you if you will need any specialised test equipment and given you a budget for it.

Going home now for lie down.......
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/10/09 9:36 AM

Originally Posted By: Kiwi Phil
Lets face it when you buy a new car ... you do not ask what are cost of ownership of it.

Don't you? I do (or rather would, if I was ever in a position to shell out for a new motor).

But your last point has been the battle many of us have been fighting for the last thirty years (at least). Kit "just turning up" without any thought at all having being given to its tech support has almost been the norm, in my experience.

But (as to your first point), the "do you service your own kit" question has been shot down on here more than a few times before.

Here is the rub:- hospital equipment is not your own kit. It belongs to a second party (and you are custodian of it, and have an obligation to care for it). Furthermore it is used on (for the benefit of) a third party. Namely the patient. Do I need to continue ... ? smile

One final point:- back in the "Good Old Days" there really wasn't much kit in hospitals, and the stuff that was there used to break down often enough so that it was, shall we say, noticed. Coupled with that (and this is a point worth remembering), user staff used to report faults! These days, there is too much kit, and when it becomes unserviceable, the staff usually just hide it in cupboards with the rest of their collections of junk. Yet another reason (as if another were needed) why the complete inventory of equipment needs to be "dug out" from time to time!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/10/09 6:21 PM
any response to confirm, how long nick brown has been out in the magic kingdom? Huw
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/10/09 6:42 PM
No, I'm afraid not.
I emailed him directly (and the email didn't bounce) but unfortunately - no response.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/10/09 8:17 PM
Nick has become more shy in his old age, and his first Love Linear accelerator No1 in room No2 she does not allow him much time as she constantly plays up....that why he is unable to respond your email Huw.

surely he should be allowed the prize, or do we still need confirmation because Neil might object?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/10/09 10:08 PM

I reckon there's some sort of weirdness going on out there in the Desert. With the single obvious exception (see today's posts), we never seem to hear from any of the guys out there these days. Unlike in previous times.

Could they have been "banned" from using the site? Or have they just become fed up with it (surely not)? frown

Let's hope that they've simply done the wise thing and collected their money then headed out to the mystical East (that is, shacked up at a beach bar, or some such thing). smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 4:42 AM
What is the prize, then I will tell you if I am upset, but as an easy going bloke I don't give a ****
I will retire to the east, but not to a beach bar thank you very much.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 8:04 AM
The prize for the:-

1. "longest serving Biomed in the Magic Kingdom this century"


would have to be decided by the initial founder of this wonderful EBME forum.

Mr Huw Davis.......
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 9:48 AM

As I may have said before, what may be more interesting is not so much length of service, but useful contribution made. frown

Hospitals everywhere are full of time-servers. So what?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 10:04 AM
But why limit it to here, there are hospitals throughout the world and all filled with biomed techs
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 10:37 AM

Well yes, there are biomed techs at (or at least visiting) almost every hospital in the world. They're hardly filled with them though. That's the patients you're thinking of there, Neil, surely? smile

But this thread was started by Umish, so let him have his fun!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 10:40 AM
yes Geoff, this post was specifically Magic kingdom expats, and as you know to survive in the desert you have to make useful contribution otherwise you go home on the next flight.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 10:42 AM

Nice one. Good point. Been there, done that, as they say. smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 10:48 AM
I feel Neil is getting a bit impatient, because of Nick but we still wait for confirmation of Nick's long service....
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 10:52 AM

Perhaps. But how can we be sure that we're not actually witnessing Nick breaking the time-served record? That is, how long must we wait? smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 11:01 AM
ask the admin
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 11:16 AM

Perhaps we need to ask Neil to drive over (up, across) to Riyadh and settle the matter once and for all! smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 11:26 AM
no no you cannot ask neil to drive, he might delibertly run nick over especially after he has had a few sid's !


then we would have to award him the Prize
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 11:28 AM
the drive between Jed to Ruh would require alot of refeshments. I think at least 15 jerry cans of Sid.....
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/10/09 12:53 PM
Umish first and foremost "I don't drink" second you started this thread so why should Huw give a prize and third as I said earlier I am a happy go lucky type of person, patience is a virtue and I have lots of that.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/11/09 11:13 AM
I appreciate that, there are very few people like yourself. I guess that's the reason you can survive out so long....

I only managed 13 years !

I salute you ninja
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/11/09 12:16 PM
If I am the last man standing, do you want me to turn the lights off when I leave????
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/11/09 4:11 PM

Hey Umish, I've always found it a good policy not to judge others by your own standards!

Anyone with a bit of mukh can survive just about anywhere. It's all just a question of attitude.

But ... thirteen years? You're not even in the running, Mate. smile

I could name a Brit expat who was out there for ten years at a stretch. That is, without coming out of the desert at all during that time! And that was just one of five "visits" (but by far the longest, of course). What's the big deal? Work is work, and it's horses for courses.

And at least "out there" they will let you get on with the job. That is, without all the 'elf 'n' safety, myriad regulations, restricted hours, and "PC" [censored] ... unlike another "Kingdom" I could mention!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/11/09 5:41 PM
I survive because I get paid quite well, freedom to do the job and excellent vacations.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/11/09 7:24 PM
You are absolutely right Geoff, that's why I am trying to create a satisfaction survey.

That is how it is in the real world. Sometimes I miss the Magic world.

But I still believe Nick Brown will be turning out the lights. I bet my money on that horse Geoff.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/11/09 4:58 AM
Umish, can I have a copy of your "satisfaction survey" I will complete it when I am at home (Thailand) that is?
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/11/09 8:55 AM
Sure Neil I will send you my draft copy. But I thought you would be busy sipping you lemonade or coke at pattaya beach? better to leave your work behind with the Magic Kingdom biomed boy's. You must give them some responsiblity
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/11/09 9:34 AM
I did not mean that type of "satisfaction survey" read between the lines.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/11/09 9:54 AM
Did You locate Nic Brown Neil? at RKH.......


You could still win....
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/11/09 10:21 AM

If Nick is still there, he will need to come on here (as he used to do) to claim his prize! smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/11/09 11:42 AM
What's The Prize Money... should it be in Riyals or Yens?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/11/09 11:54 AM

No, something better than that ... the acknowledgment of his Peers. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/11/09 1:56 PM
Acknowledgement of still having a job!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 11:08 AM
Still walking the tight rope!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 12:46 PM
No tightrope here, never been more relaxed.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 12:48 PM
No tightrope here, never been more relaxed.
Posted By: Chris Pearson Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 5:01 PM
As an Ex RKH locum who covered for Neil and Alan would anyone mind if I hijack this thread a little?
I'm looking for a SA distributor with some experience in Renal Care to try and get a specific product considered for the new Mega haemodialysis clinic being built.
I only know Idco and Amsco but have lost their contact details can anyone help or suggest anybody else.
Best wishes to you all .
Chris
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 5:19 PM
Saturday I will be back in the office, I will send you all the details for Ahmsco, Mediserv, Fresenius and a few others.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 7:21 PM
we also have an award for the shortest time spent in the Magic Kingdom.....


Chris you have a good chance....
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 8:05 PM
G,day G,day mate, I reckon I could qualify for that. I did 2 weeks in the early 80,s at the MOD Hospital by the " Rocket Roundabout" in Jeddah. The Saudi [censored] in charge was called Zacharias and apparently he thought I was a Jew. !! A Pox on him. Ha Ha.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 8:39 PM

Nice try, Mate ... but I suspect we're really talking about total time spent, in aggregate.

Surely you haven't forgotten Jubail? And ... the Hera, and Taif. And (dare I mention it) ... Onaiza? smile

Come to think of it, the shortest reign of destruction was probably by one of the guys I escorted to the airport at Abha back in 90/91! No names, no Pack Drill, as "they" say.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 9:12 PM

Thinking a bit more about those days ... I reckon it would be more use to compare notes about some of the more "interesting" (and usually, out of the way) hospitals.

For instance, does anyone else recall Zahran Al-Janoub (no power in the village)? Or even Tatleeth (no phones), Sarat Abidah, Muhayl, or Marjardah? Ballasmar (where they built the hospital and then started looking for a source of water), Al-Namas, Biljurashi (I could go on, but shall resist the temptation)?

How about the old hospital at Abha (one of the first in the Kingdom, equipped by Al-Gosaibi, and bombed by the Egyptian Air Force ... not whilst I was there, I hasten to add)? And ... the old Khamis Civil Hospital?

Anyone else remember the Al-Huwaylat Hospital in Jubail (the only hospital of any size I know of that came in bits on the back of trucks and was bolted together)?

And has anyone (else) been to the oil company hospital at Khafji (I found two knocked out Iraqi APC's sitting in the desert nearby)? And the G-100 on the other side of town (complete with shell holes from the so-called First Gulf War)?

Is nostalgia a thing of the past? Sigh! smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 11:17 PM
We will have to have an annual Magic Kingdom award ceremony.

any other categories we can nominate?

How about one for the longest time spent in Jail?
Posted By: Chris Pearson Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/11/09 11:54 PM
Umish,
My mate could be nominated for closest to death experience,he was in a radar bunker near Jeddah when the Israelis were flying down to Entebbe and asked him to switch it off,he off course said no and they explained that if he didn't they would just take the whole installation out in about 30 seconds!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:02 AM
How about a nomination for the largest Bonus (tip) received?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:50 AM
Tony, for your information Zakaria was removed from his post this year. All the vendors he did business with held parties to celebrate.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:03 AM
We did have one guy in the early eighties in Tabuk, lasted about 6 weeks never heard of again. Knew nothing about biomed but always answered that he knew about high voltage transformers.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 9:34 AM

Tabuk was one of the (few) places that I never made it to, regrettably

But at another job site, I was once sent a "biomed" whose previous life had included being a "anti-Bilharzia spray man" in Jizan! He was a great guy, but didn't know much about things like electrical safety, unfortunately! smile
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 9:34 AM
Hi Geoff,

Yes mate I remember " it well " ha ha "

I had a Meningitus C Jab at Al-Huwaylat whilst I was Commissioning the " New Jubail " for Laings.

We had a visit from a Company Rep whose Daughter had Meningitus, ( unbeknown to him at the time ) so the MOH gave everyone on site at the time a free jab, pretty good of em I thought.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 9:36 AM

Originally Posted By: umish
How about a nomination for the largest Bonus (tip) received?

Or (perhaps better yet) a category for the most "interesting" repair carried out at a Desert hospital or clinic! smile

BTW, I believe I may have already mentioned the major x-ray supplier, the tiny Gulf State ... and the er, ... "yacht"!

Not me, I hasten to make clear!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 9:44 AM

I was last at HHH in December 1996, when I did a small job there. By that time it had been sold off, and was in fact already in the hands of its second private owner. Probably thriving once again by now, I should imagine (and knowing the owner concerned).

And, being built like the proverbial BSH, it will probably still be standing once the Al-Fanateer has crumbled to dust (sand?)! smile

BTW the G-150 was still going strong the last time I passed by (it would have been at about the same time). A nice hospital, that one (and with an "interesting" early history, of course, and as we know)! But there again, I liked all those little G-series hospitals.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 10:16 AM

@Tony

BTW(2) Mate, I was wondering if we should open a new thread to celebrate* the biomed who has worked in the highest number of UK hospitals. Not as a visiting service engineer, but let's say (to qualify) a residency of at least a month. smile

It would have to be your Good Self, Mate, I would have thought ... unless someone else knows different and would like to put forward a claim.

(Meanwhile my own pathetic total would amount to only eight ... so that counts me out, then)

* Good word, that. Very PC.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 11:03 AM
Good idea Geoff, celebrate the biomed who can't hold down a steady job
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 11:28 AM

We're talking about agency work here, Neil. If you had spent any time in the UK biomed scene, you would have been aware that agency techs are often called in to make up the short-falls. Standing in during an absence of a regular guy. Catching up with back-logs of work, clearing the PM, filling in when Trusts cannot attract permanent staff ... there are many reasons. A few months here, a few months there. Sometimes for longer periods (especially when hospitals fail to recruit). And not all are what you might call "attractive posts", believe me!

All in all, Tony is most probably the most experienced tech I know. Anyone care to mention another?

And ... (I speak for myself here) don't forget that there are some people who don't want a so-called steady job! But prefer instead a bit of variety, if only as a stimulus. Life is too short to be stuck in one place for years on end. Horses for courses, as I keep saying.

Don't knock it, Mate. There is a need for short-term contractors within the NHS. Meanwhile, just be thankful that you're one of the lucky ones, still "out there"! smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 12:11 PM
Never liked the weather, plus I did meet a few grumpy old biomeds in a couple of hospitals, never been out of their comfortable surroundings don't think they ever owned a passport. Another reason not to come back. Plus you might not let me in!
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 12:12 PM
Hmmm, I really don't know why you yearn to be living 'out there' so much Geoff.

Best thing I ever did was coming back. (Horses for courses wink )
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 12:18 PM
When I look out of the window right now, the sun is shining, the swimming pool is inviting, although today I am saving my energy as we have a fun race (only 5.7K) tomorrow, played football on Monday night legs need the rest.
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 12:24 PM
You couldn't pay me enough to get me back there.

One local guy asked a mate why he was returning to the UK.

He answered "because I can....".

The quality of life there is pitiful.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 1:39 PM
How do you rate the quality of life? Coming home from work, a plate of bangers, mash and peas, putting your feet up in front of the telly and watching Eastenders and Corronation street, that's the quality I can do without.
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 1:49 PM
Well if that's all you were used to, I'm not surprised you rate it so highly out there.

You really are very defensive of the Magic Kingdom aren't you Neil?

Cool down mate - take a breather....
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:07 PM

As I may have mentioned before, it's all a question of what a person wants out of life.

Myself, I spent (in total) over fifteen years in Saudi Arabia, a year and a half in Oman, plus "going out on jobs" in Jordan and Nigeria.

I loved the Kingdom. Why? Mainly because of the simple lifestyle, and peaceful environment. That coupled with the fact that people such as myself (that is, a humble technician without any qualifications worth mentioning) could succeed in posts that are simply not available (to me) in the UK. Put simply, I enjoyed it there ... and felt very much at home, in fact.

Unfortunately, I need to add, the "peaceful environment" bit was wrecked by and large due to the criminal activities of the same gang who have also caused havoc in the other country I used to love. That is, England (I say "used to", because the England of my youth no longer exists).

However (as I have definitely mentioned before), I am now able to "rub along" well enough in Modern England because I regard it in the same way as I would any other so-called Third World country (which is what it has become). frown

The thing is, Huw, I was never a "compound man" - no swimming pools for me (and even avoided other "expats" as much as possible - as Neil may remember), preferring to "live amongst the natives" (or whatever the correct PC phraseology would be). In short, I liked to roam around - but this became less of a sensible option post-invasion of Iraq!

Quality of life? In the ways which matter to me, it was far better than I "enjoy" now (even though the mosque is just down the road)! smile

By the way Neil, no doubt you'll be pleased to hear that I haven't owned a television set for at least twenty years (and then it was only used when installing satellite dishes*)!

* The muttawa in Onaiza used to blast away at them with shotguns, you know!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:07 PM
Not defensive actually very relaxed. I don't rate it that highly either, but I do have a lot more freedom here than a lot of people I work with. I would much rather be in Thailand with my family, just a few more years and that's where I will be retired and happy I hope.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:18 PM

Good Luck to you, Mate. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:34 PM
Never watched the 'soaps' but did get fed up listening to colleagues coming in the next day and saying "did you see last night" what a sad life. Geoff actually I live in a compound now (Arabian homes) and it is not only for hospital staff, we have a lot of different nationalities and companies here, never wanted to mingle with the people I work with during my own time unless it is my choice.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:36 PM

Very wise. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:39 PM
Back to the awards, achievements, longest stay etc. with the work I am doing with CBAHI, the greatest achievement will be the standardization of the electrical and medical gas systems throughout all the healthcare facilities Kingdom wide.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 2:49 PM

Wow! We are impressed! Not sure how that squares with "just a few more years" though, Mate. smile

But (if you get time), take a run down to the old hospital in Abha - the one I mentioned earlier. If indeed it is still there, you will be able to admire the medical gas pipeline there (the only one there, at that time), which was installed by my old friend Engr. Fud!*

* Fud used to travel about in an old green Pontiac, with toilets (both Western and "Asian") in the back seat. Well, he was, after all, our plumber!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:00 PM
We have a Royal Decree to compile and introduce healthcare standards as the MOH as usual failed to do so. Spent the past 2 days in the IMC Hospital brainstorming, Monday was spent in a smaller hospital to get a fix on how you can apply standards to this type of hospital as we know there will be a lot of resistance, but who cares, we are in the business of providing the best care for the patient and if that upsets a lot of people so be it.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:06 PM

So what does all this mean? Standardizing on all the power outlets and PMG outlets at all hospitals (government, private) and clinics throughout the Kingdom? Even those which use (what we could call) 110 volt systems?

And what's the time scale? Don't tell me ... inshallah!

Sounds like you've got a job for life there, Neil. Nice one. smile

But ... in what way would all this turmoil "provide the best care for the patient", I wonder?

And ... which outlets (Standards) are you going for?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:19 PM
Due to the amount of equipment both 110 & 220 currently in use, the building standard section have decided to keep both, but 110 will be UK (MK) type sockets, 220 will be German Scratch type, The medical gas will be English as well.
Standards to be published next year, remember this is part-time for me and other committee members. Visited one hospital using curtains to divide ICU patients, this has to change.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:27 PM

Polarised (and fused) for 110 ... but not for 220? Where's the sense in that? Why not keep the US style 110 volt outlets!

And why select the "Euro plug"? The worse of all options, in my (unbiased) opinion. How come the UK's BS-1363 socket isn't being used for 220 volts?

Sounds like a load of old b******s to me! smile

And (as I have said before), if "it was me" I would look closely at the American "Hospital Grade" idea.

That's good news about PMG outlets, though. After all, anything is better than this (mess)!

Curtains to divide patients? What's wrong with that? Not every hospital has funding from MODA you know!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:40 PM
If you have have standards they have to be across the board, curtains are not acceptable,you cannot control infection with curtains, sliding doors or close the unit, this is were I said there will be a lot of opposition.
Us biomeds when we met with the electrical engineers asked for only one supply either choose 110 or 220 but got out voted.
It is not just MODA, there are a lot of private hospitals who regard themselves as A class when in fact they are well below normal standards and they will fight as it will cost to put things right. Patient first, money second.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:46 PM

OK, fire up the bulldozers!

Next stop ... Africa? smile

You control infections by washing hands and wearing face masks. See much of that sort of thing going on?

Of course (if I were to be cynical ... heaven forbid), I could also add ... "Contractors first, local distributors second ... patient somewhere further down the list"!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:50 PM
Air-borne, the ICU patient area should be a controlled confined area, the hospital we visited did not have an isolation room, if they cannot afford the building costs, you could down grade the area to a normal patient ward.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:53 PM
Geoff with reference to the electrical outlets, getting down to 2 is a major improvement on the current system. A lot of hospitals use the Euro-type all depended on the nationality of the contractor.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 3:55 PM

Isolation. Intensive care. Not necessarily the same thing. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 4:09 PM
Intensive care-Isolation is different, air-borne meningitis for example.
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 4:38 PM
Back to the one I got a jab for then Boys !!!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 4:45 PM
Long diversion, from Jubail and back. Actually I thought the company doing the re-commissioning was Liange-Wimpey in Liquidation?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 5:06 PM

How could you forget Alireza? frown

For those who are aware of that episode, was it not a brave thing to do? Personally, I admired them greatly!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 5:35 PM
remind me, Alireza? commissioning or re-commissioning
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 5:49 PM

The contractor, Laing Wimpey Alireza (a Saudi-British joint venture) who, despairing of ever being paid after repeated delays, spirited its employees out of the country. Or, if you like, did a "corporate runner"!

In staggered groups, staff went to different parts of the country and then departed on "vacations" using exit/re-entry visas. Such stealth was deemed necessary to avoid the taking of "commercial hostages". And it succeeded, as the company retrieved all its workers without a single one being held. smile

There was also a story about a special aircraft being chartered to pick up people at the (then) airport at Dhahran (although I have never established the truth of that one ... perhaps Tony knows)!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 5:53 PM
That was during the original commissioning, Laing Wimpey in Liquidation went in at a later date to recommission the equipment and restart the project under pressure I must add.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 5:57 PM

Yes, LWA in Liquidation does have a certain ring to it, does it not?

Under pressure? After being paid, you mean? smile

LWA built the hospital on a turnkey basis. Not only the medical equipment, and the commissioning thereof. By the time of the famous adventure referred to, the hospital as a whole was already completed, more or less. Again, Tony knows.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 5:57 PM
Had anyone come across my old friend "Blue" the biomed or Mr Buck Rose?

They Used to work in jordan on through IAL (hayes London) before 1987 project then Jubail, the KKNGH in Jeddah?

Please send a search party to find where they are now?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:05 PM

Yes, I met Buck Rose at the (aforementioned) Al-Fanateer Hospital in ... oh, I guess it would have been 1988. And (as you say) I believe he went from there to Kilo 21 (was it?) of the Old Makkah Road! But I've not heard of him since.

And the mysterious "Blue" ... I came across such a fellow in the King Hussein Medical Center in Amman back in 1985. And that would have been with IAL. Not heard of since (but, as I have already mentioned, I have tended to move in different circles from the mainstream, as it were).

By the way, that (Amman) is the where and the when of myself and Tony (Dowman) first getting acquainted. Wheels within wheels? smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:12 PM
Who never went to King Hussein Medical Center is another question, when LWA in liquidation went back to the hospital it was to re-commission the medical equipment.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:13 PM

Indeed. We could start a whole new thread devoted solely to that! smile

And your point about LWA is ... ?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:17 PM
In total how many biomeds passed through KHMC? Now that is a question that may take some time to answer.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:28 PM

Yeah, we saw it as a Right of Passage. You know, sorting the wheat from the chaff. That sort of thing. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:41 PM
Being offered a monthly contract was not going to keep me there, considering I had an offer of a 3 year contract in Riyadh. The next question is and maybe Umish would like to offer a prize for this winner, who served the longest at KHMC?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:47 PM

At least that should be easy enough to determine. Especially seeing that most were just passing through, as it were.

The longest serving would have been Dieter (I think his name was). Or, just maybe, Peter Barrett (I hope I've spelled Peter's name correctly there)! smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 6:59 PM
I think Dieter was the one who fixed the aerial on the commanders roof, and it was a very windy day. No way was I going up a ladder on anyones roof that day.
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 7:30 PM
What about Dieter,s mate Detleff then Ha Ha.

I,m not all that up on Officer Grades but I,m sure Sister Samiah had 3 Stars and a Crown ( Is that a Brigadier Geoff ) but after her little tet a tet, she was a Captain !!! Detleff got a free ticket to Frankfurt out of the Deal Ha Ha

Happy Days me old china
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 7:38 PM
I still put my money on Nick Brown, I believe he worked in Jordon with "BLUE" or sorry alias oh Damm I Blew it! ...not again

Come on Blue out where ever you are.......

I miss your stories...
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 7:39 PM
Would not be surprised if either or both Dieter & Peter were still there.
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 7:49 PM
Last I heard of Peter Barrett he was at The Great Western in Swindon as an EBME Manager, same job as Jordan,s KHMC I guess.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 7:52 PM
The last I heard of "Blue" was he won the car raffle at Dubai International airport, and now drives around in his Red Ferrari !
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 7:57 PM
I spent a few bob on them !!!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/11/09 9:06 PM

Casting my mind back, it seems that my own abiding memory of KHMC is that of the honour that was bestowed upon me of working on King Hussein's dental chair.

Although perhaps I should admit there was little I (or anyone else) could do without the necessary spare parts being to hand. In fact, I can't help but wonder whether they've yet arrived!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 3:50 AM
Did you have the old parts to exchange them with, if not then they are still pending.

Umish you seem to have a thing for Nick Brown, are you related or is Umish your alias and you are really Nick Brown?
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 8:56 AM
No I have Brown eyes and Nick has Blue eyes.....

we are no relations but good comrades

But the award is clearly between you and nick.

So the Prize has to be worth Nick coming online, his hourly rate is phenomenal as you can imagine...

Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 9:35 AM
Surely mate your " piece de resistance " at KHMC was that 21 Channel Siemens Mingograph EEG Recorder with 16 Channels blocked, after they just Switched it Off and walked away some 3 months or so earlier.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 9:51 AM
Did they ever fix the lift doors?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 12:48 PM

There have been a number of pièce de résistance over the years, Mate. But modesty forbids me from listing them here.

However, that does not, of course, prevent me from thanking you for your kindness, not only in remembering, but also in mentioning it here on the forum. smile

It's weird how these posts trigger off memories, though. Now I am reminded of yet another EEG unit, this time at the old Mental Hospital in Abha (not the most pleasant place to visit, by the way). Another success chalked up with ink-covered hands (mixed metaphors, or pathetic pun?)!

But anyway, all that (both cases) was a long time ago now, Mate.
Posted By: biomedbill Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 1:08 PM
Just reading your posts brought a misty eyed remider of my year and a half of "living dangerously" at KHMC, the bugers in the canteen could have been classified as WMD's . As I recall Nick Brown was on a mission to spend as little as possible, spending less than 5JD a week. I fully expected him to have reitred years ago. I've lost touch with all the guys who were there, but yesterday I saw someone in passing that I recognised unfortunately I didn't realise who it was until he'd gone. A guy called Paul Meek, I shared a flat with him in Amman. He used to work on the sterilisers. I often wonder what happened to the "class of '88/'89" Has anyone seen "Shaggy" around? Probably chilling out in the Phillpines I wouldn't be surpised.
As for Buck I used to work with him in Sheffield, but I don't remember him going to Jordan, unless he went there after 1989.

Happy days (for the most part)
p.s. does anybody remember the IAL song, based on "the god ship venus"?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 1:14 PM

As I have mentioned on here before, the grub at KHMC was so grim* that even I couldn't face it. I still have this vision of a couple of roughly butchered goat's knees (grey in colour) floating around in greasy, luke warm water (although the rice wasn't quite so bad). As I recall, only the "breakfast" was any good. Wasn't it a glass of hot milk, with a small round of toast and jam - or am I getting that mixed up with some other place (which is quite likely)? Tony can confirm that we used to survive through regular visits to the "coffee shops"!

Does anyone know of any Brit biomed "of a certain age" who did not have a go at KHMC?

Meanwhile, here is another name to be reckoned with:- Brendan Cairney!

But, what I really want to know is this:- what became of Alan Martin? The last time I saw Alan myself would have been in the office at Southall, sometime in the late 1980's (I would need to stop to work out a more exact date).

For the record (as they say), the best hospital grub I have ever encountered was the daily fayre dished up at the KKNGH Jeddah - back in the "early days"! As I'm sure Terry Horton would be happy to confirm. smile

* Mind you, it wasn't exactly "the Ritz" at King Saud Hospital, Onaiza, either!
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 2:15 PM
Geoff, I last saw Alan Martin and Richard ( Tricky Dicky ) Thompson at a Jim Davidson Concert at of all places The Concord Bar on the MAM Camp in Oman around 94 ish. I,m pretty sure Brendan was there too. I heard Brendan left Oman last year but he does,nt seem to have surfaced. Tony.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 3:04 PM

Pity that we can't get Brendan to come on here. Especially as he was always such a knowledgeable bloke! smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/11/09 6:01 PM
What age are we looking at 45 and above?
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/11/09 8:28 AM
HellO Biomedbill do you remember famous "Blue" he worked in Jordon....?
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/11/09 9:47 AM
Was he the Guy who did the Sterilisers and Autoclaves ???
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/11/09 11:50 AM

Wasn't that One-Eyed Ali, the Yemeni "biomed"? Or maybe I'm (yet again) thinking of another time, in another place!

Anyone else come across an "anaesthesia equipment biomed" who (being colour blind) had "difficulty" in understanding the concept (or even the need) of colour coding PMG tubing? But (and to be fair), he was very good at first in, last out, when it came to visiting the mosque. frown

And I think I may have already mentioned Mahmoud, the "Senior Engineer" who had a strange habit of er, blowing up the kit we were meant to be servicing by (apparently) insisting on checking 110 volt kit by plugging it into 220 volt supplies! I would not have minded quite so much if he had then had the gumption to fix the kit himself. But, alas, he was always "too busy" and so the repair work was generally left to the Filipino technicians.

Then there was Saleem, our lab equipment "expert" (and, in theory, the most highly qualified member of the team). Sadly, it came to my understanding that Saleem didn't actually fix the Coulter Counters, but instead got the Work Order signed off by intimidating the (usually female) lab tech concerned!

Come next Wednesday (the 18th.) it will be the 18th. anniversary of the death in a road accident of "Boy" Yutuc, a good friend and one of the best practical, hands-on, x-ray engineers I have ever had the privilege of working with. Life can be so cruel.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/11/09 8:12 PM
Tony, He was the guy who did sterilisers and Autoclaves ???


thats the chap !
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/11/09 6:07 PM
Just received an email from Dr. Andinjani that Nick Brown is working in the Radiotherapy department 'RKH' and has been there for the past 15 years.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/11/09 8:41 PM

Does Dr. Andinjani offer any clues as to why it has been almost three years since we heard from Nick here on the forum? frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 2:53 AM
I will ask the good Doctor, and hopefully receive good news, maybe even the return of Nick to the forum.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 9:09 AM
GOOD WORK INSPECTOR NEIL......
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 9:21 AM
Do we make deductions for time spent in prison?
Posted By: biomedbill Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 1:05 PM
Hi Umish,

I think Blue left just before I started, he was most probably replaced by Paul Meek, whom I mentioned earlier. There were a few "legends" out there, we kept a book for comments and "stories" I wonder if it's still out there? I think Gareth Murcutt (renal) looked after it for a while. One name that just popped into my mind is Jimmy Jaap, now there was a story teller.
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 3:06 PM
I worked with Jimmy - I may even have been his best man (it's all rather hazy...!) wink

Last I heard of him he moved to Australia. Got any more recent news?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 4:05 PM

I remember Blue ... fair hair, blue eyes!

But James Jaap! My Goodness ... there's a name I haven't heard for 25 years or more!

[sigh] ... no wonder I'm starting to feel a bit old! frown

More names required? Here's a few more (in no particular order):-

1) Bob Boon
2) Huw Palmer
3) Robin Brown
4) Tony Patel
5) Ian Dickson
6) Uffe Schwender
7) Ian Brooks
8) Derek Mousley

Anyone (else) remember Dave Cooper, or Dan Canty? smile

I can always dip into my names bag and pull out a few more!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 6:38 PM
Geoff,Bob Boon left Yanbu before you arrived and when he left he promised himself that he would never to return to Saudi, maybe he has kept that promise, trying to remember where I met Derek, but that memory is somewhat blurred.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 6:45 PM
9) Paul Burge 17) Dan Clyne
18) Naz Kadeer 18) Mike Keegan
19) Peter Dale 20) Shaun Moran
20) jim fraser 21) Julian Campbell
21) jim Dunlee
22) Frank Murhey
23) Trevor Jenkins
10) Buck Rose
11) Rex Harris
12) Peter Robinson
13) Roy Johnson
14) Paul Harding
15) Albert Moorse
16) George Tolley

Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 6:55 PM
any one locate any of these expats?

1) Alan Christie
2 Paul Douglas
3) Paul Kemp
4) Geff Morris
5) Talib Kapasi
6) Dawood
7) Mark Gajarder
8) Mohammad Gondal
9) NicK Brown
10) Bob brown
11) chris pearson
12) Mike Davis
13) Malcolm Handford
14) Mark parsons
15) Dave Wood

16) Huw Davis
17) Tony Blair
18) George Bush !!!

Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 6:56 PM
Derek was last seen at KKNGH in 1991.....
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 8:28 PM
Originally Posted By: umish
any one locate any of these expats?


1) Alan Christie - went to Dubai about a year ago - still in touch
2 Paul Douglas - used to visit us until he moved to Scotland
3) Paul Kemp - Currently in Norfolk
4) Geff Morris - Got a networking job in Cardiff last I heard
5) Talib Kapasi - member of this website - stops by occasionaly
6) Dawood - I believe he's in UK got a job as a Unix support bod I think

9) NicK Brown - No response from email - gone Howard Hughes on us

12) Mike Davis - retiired ill health I believe


16) Huw Davis - never heard of him


21) Julian Campbell - works for MPI in Blackpool(?)

23) Trevor Jenkins - lives in Bournemouth (semi)-retired?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 10:05 PM

Originally Posted By: umish
16) Huw Davis
17) Tony Blair
18) George Bush !!!

19) Osama Bin Laden? frown

@Neil

Bob Boon had a cottage in Ireland. But surely he was too young to retire? I have heard Bob "maligned" by a few people over the years, but personally I regarded him as a damned good biomed!

Derek was once well known as a "lab kit king"! But it's been many years since I've heard his name mentioned.

What became of your mate Huw (Palmer)?

Meanwhile, I have heard of Robin working occasionally on the agency circuit here in the UK. I still remember meeting him for the first time at the very same hospital at Jubail mentioned earlier by you and Tony. Robin was with Global at the time (remember them ... Mo Powell?). smile
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/11/09 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Huw
16) Huw Davis - never heard of him

21) Julian Campbell - works for MPI in Blackpool(?)

16) ... still not seen.

21) ... better make that Bolton! smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 9:16 AM
@ Geoff, Never met Robin whilst I was with Global, I know Huw went to the University hospital with Rajab, in between Global and Rajab was Nesma I think Huw and Robin joined Nesma towards the end of the contract with KKUH
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 9:47 AM
# 17, He decommissioned quite a lot of clinics, hospitals and equipment in Iraq and Afghanistan, last seen leaving Europe with his tail between his legs.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 11:23 AM

Here are some more biomed and/or hospital O&M contractors from that era:-

DIAL
GAMA
I-MANCO
NESMA
R&S (Rajab & Silsilah)
SATCO (a one-off, unfortunately)
SMEH
SOMC
ZOMCO (my favourite)

... and many others! smile

As I may have mentioned before, in the main I managed to keep away from the Big Hospitals myself. There was much more fun to be had out in the Desert (that is, at the small hospitals and clinics - both government and private).
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 12:41 PM
Greyhound Technologies was another one off, unless someone has more information.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 2:30 PM

And, whilst we’re all in reminiscing mode, how about recalling some of the placement (I can't bring myself to use the word "recruitment") agencies from those days of yore?

Surely many must remember my old mate Paddy Earp (the aptly named Middle-Man)? But how about Raymond Whiteside, Grafton, ORS and er, Network? Once again, there were many. But are any of them still active, I wonder? smile

Does "ten per cent of the first year's salary" ring any bells?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 2:39 PM
Do you know of anybody being recruited through 'expat international' ???
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 2:46 PM

Oh yes, the monthly job list! I can recall looking forward to (receiving) the magazine. Even though it didn't always arrive. Those were the days!

I remember meeting Keith Edmonds once (a long time ago now, though). A great guy, of course. Not exactly "PC", though (and all the better for that)!

And, of course (but much later), the ladies at Expat Network.

But a lot of that has been rendered largely redundant by the internet, wouldn't you say? frown

"Home and Away" ... and "Nexus".
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 2:54 PM
Still I cannot recall anyone landing on-site and saying that they had been recruited through expat, although to be fair they always offered a warm welcome (never took up the offer myself) and to join them at Christmas time.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 2:59 PM

There was a time (again, a long time ago now ... circa mid '80's to early '90's in fact), when a few of us were seriously thinking of forming our own "expat biomed group"!

The original "Biomed Buddies".* But it failed to materialise. Why? In a word (or two) - self-interest. By that I mean, and as an example, someone would get wind of a project, or a contract, and jealously keep it for themselves!

Needless to say, I gave up battling "human nature" (aka greed, selfishness etc.) a long time ago. frown

* Or the "Band of Brothers", eh, Tony?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:10 PM
Umish, Hoping to hear from Nick Brown soon, I have been communicating with Dr. Andijani, and he will inform Nick as to why people are trying to contact him, if not through this forum then maybe to Huw's email. We live in hope!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:24 PM
Nick has become suborn in his old age, he worries too much about the exchange rate and monitors it like a 24 hour data logger !!!


Tell Andy to summon him immediately otherwise he will be centre attraction on Friday afternoon on Chop -Chop square in bhata for a flogging..... simple solution what do you think Mr Hannis?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:34 PM

A little harsh, perhaps. A simple fine would probably suffice in this case.

But (as I have mentioned before) my own take on all this is that something more, shall we say, sinister is going on.

After all, Nick is not the only Saudi-based correspondent that we no longer hear from, is he? frown

Meanwhile, I am reminded of Wolfgang (yet another of my old mates), who used to clip the exchange rate list from the Arab News every day. He had a collection stretching back many years, and interesting "reading" it was too!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:35 PM
The exchange rate is worth watching these days if you need sterling,
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:37 PM
Is it a regional or local problem that they are facing, if the hospitals block the site you can always log on from home.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:38 PM

Or could it be that they just don't bother with us at all these days? <sob> frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:43 PM
Gone 'native' perhaps
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 5:45 PM

Alhamdulillah! smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 6:03 PM
There is no internet inside the Varian linear accelerator, this where Nick sleeps, he is a 24 hour onsite/inside engineer.


Beat that Neil......
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 6:08 PM
How do they use the machine when he is asleep, and who delivers the milk and newspapers?
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 6:36 PM
closed down for major overhaul.....more overtime

free milk from canteen,

newspaper from bin
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 6:55 PM

Forgive me for intruding, but I believe I may have already told the story of my good friend muhandis Ramadan ... who was famous for kipping down on x-ray tables! Why not?

Especially if the radiographer was able to bring in some breakfast come the morning.

Meanwhile, it seems that you have Nick pretty well taped there, Umish. Strange to think that he and I share so many sensible habits!

That's one of the things that have always appealed to me about hospitals. That is, you can live in them. After all, everything you really need is there, close at hand! smile
Posted By: Triki Riki Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 7:48 PM
Umish, Rick Dixon here, ran across this fourm a bit ago while searching for RCM data. I was a tech on HZ-HMED years ago, good to hear Mr Nick is still around and kicking. Will try to stay in touch with this site in future. Say 'howdy' to Nick next time you run across.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 7:56 PM

Welcome to the forum Rick. smile

I'm encouraged to hear that the search engines have coughed up the forum in regard of Risk-based PM.

Now we are (that is, those of us who like to promote the idea) looking forward to continued discourse on the subject.

(anything to move away from - and onwards from - this current retrospective thread)
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 8:01 PM
Welcome Rick, hope you are safe and well, sorry I forgot to mention you but Murad still loves you! He just cannot get over losing you...
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 8:02 PM
Mary Jane also misses you.. Rick
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 8:03 PM
she always smiles after your mission impossible in spain....




/// hint Umish should learn to use the edit button... ///

...Huw
Posted By: Triki Riki Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 8:06 PM
Hey umish, heard that Murad was no longer with royal Clinics, and who doesn't smile when remembering Spain. Must go now, staff meeting starting. Stay in touch
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 8:09 PM
Rick is the longest serving HZ-HMED Biomed engineer,,,


any challenges?//
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 8:16 PM
who is the tallest, shortest, fattest etc,
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 10:22 PM
that is irrelevant, you have to get confirmation from nick as you are already In Kingdom.

then the award shall be presented....
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 10:26 PM
Murad - urgh - shudder....

Probably the most obnoxious person I have ever met.
Posted By: Triki Riki Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 10:31 PM
Thanks for the welcome, Geoff.

I'm preparing to present to the Environment of Care committee at WMRC my suggestions of implemennting (slowly at first of course) a reliabiltiy-centered-maintenance strategy. We do already have a risk-based program that is still derived from the original Fennigkoh & Smith model (1989) and was cited by the JCAHO. Approval to conduct RCM and FMECA analysis will have to get by my VP, Risk Managment, and other non-technical upper management. Not having any luck finding other local institutions that have tried the RCM approach. I could send the power-point I will be using at EOC meeting to any interested for critique and feedback. There are several organizations here in US that are actively recommending the clinical engineering community to engage in the RCM in healthcare topic.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 10:32 PM

Obnoxious! And a name being cited! Red card!

Definition of slander required! Moderator informed!

@Rick

Good stuff, Rick ... but under the wrong thread, I'm afraid. Take a look at the earlier thread. As you must already know, things have moved on a bit since F&S.

Any chance of relocating Rick's post, Huw?
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 10:44 PM
Originally Posted By: Geoff Hannis
Obnoxious! And a name being cited! Red card!


No surname.
'Obnoxious' is subjective.
No slander. smile

Originally Posted By: Geoff Hannis
Any chance of relocating Rick's post, Huw?
I could have relocated it - if it hadn't been replied to. wink
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 10:47 PM

Originally Posted By: Neil Porter
who is the tallest, shortest, fattest etc,

Sorry, Neil ... not PC, I'm afraid. frown

Meanwhile, how about the laziest, smartest, dumbest etc.?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/11/09 10:54 PM

Originally Posted By: Huw
I could have relocated it - if it hadn't been replied to.

Can you copy it across, then?

Yes, I agree with you (but some others don't seem to "get it") - opinions are simply that ... opinions. Everyone has them (or should have), and yours, mine or anybody else's all have equal value* (that is, none at all)! smile

In other words, ones man's "genius guy" could very well be another's "obnoxious [censored]" ... each may be an equally valid assessment, potentially at least.

* Apart from you being in a position to exercise the moderator's veto, that is!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 2:42 AM
Huw, regarding 'Obnoxious People' I take it that you have never met Zakaria Wazna, mentioned by me a few times and Tony Dowman had the dubious pleasure, although lucky for him it was a short acquaintance.
Posted By: franklin Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 5:42 AM
Anyone interested going back. My former boss, one colleague said, is looking for 500 biomeds at the moment. But with this number, I don't know where he would place them. 'Band Wagon' strategy maybe.

Mine could have been short stay because I planned to scape thru jeddah's backdoor. I just finished my bloody contract and end up leaving my bonus payment because I never returned after vacation.

I remember!
*One modeer planned to place a water distiller just above an automated chemistry analyzer so that he could avoid fetching water and refilling his water tank.
*Or one time I was asked to run an expired control and calibrate a hemetology analyzer.

one last thing, many ABG consumables are wasted because no one cares to run them. They just expire inside the big store rooms in which most hospitals in my country cannot afford to buy.

But this does not mean everything is bad. There's always a good side also.

brost? Kabsa? Shawarma? etc
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 5:50 AM
Geoff, never taken to all the PC (censored) a spade is a spade.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 6:23 AM
Slander according to wikipedia; In common law jurisdictions, slander refers to a malicious, false and defamatory spoken statement or report, while libel refers to any other form of communication such as written words or images. Most jurisdictions allow legal actions, civil and/or criminal, to deter various kinds of defamation and retaliate against groundless criticism. Related to defamation is public disclosure of private facts, which arises where one person reveals information that is not of public concern, and the release of which would offend a reasonable person. "Unlike [with] libel, truth is not a defense for invasion of privacy."[2]

Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 9:32 AM

... and there's the rub:- groundless criticism!

That is, rather than constructive. smile

Or, indeed, whatever it is the opposite of "groundless" is deemed to be!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 10:18 AM

As I have said before Franklin, I would be happy to go back tomorrow (as it were) ... if (and it’s a big "if") I could do so on my own terms.

Time marches on, and somehow I doubt that conditions in the Kingdom are as relaxed as they once were. I think it may be true to say that the invasion of Iraq changed everything (and the continuation of events in Afghanistan certainly don't help). The aftermath of (reaction to) all that was, after all, why I was prompted to escape the last time.

I also have many stories, but don’t forget that the idea was always meant to be (in theory at least) that we were there to assist in developing the nation (healthcare system, whatever). I can still recall the novelty of encountering my first Saudi biomed, but by this time there should be many (I would have thought). And, why not?

Like many others who have spent any time at all in the Kingdom, I am aware of quite a few cases where expats (and here I mean non-Saudi workers of all nationalities) have been abused in one way or another. I myself lost (was never paid) a lot of money, and had to resort to the Labour Court and all the rest (and still only managed to recover 50% of what I was owed). But I shouldn't moan too much ... some expats lost their lives!

I loved the desert. I loved the simple life. But (as I say) doubt that such as myself would feel so comfortable roaming around the souks in desert townships these days.

The Kingdom has also seen a population explosion. This means there are many, many more idjits on the roads (always a major heath hazard, but now even worse). There is also a feeling (sensed by me, at least), especially in the larger cities, of a dissatisfaction amongst the youth. It’s almost as if they are just waiting for "something to happen" – to trigger unrest of one kind or another. The trouble with that sort of thing is that it’s folk like you and I who are likely to end up as the targets! Who could we turn to for help (protection)? No one.

But lastly, don’t be too hard on the mudeers ... there are over-paid, ridiculous idiots everywhere. You can even find them in UK government hospitals, believe it or not! smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 10:38 AM
what you say is absolutely correct Geoff, they judge a book by the cover....So if you have Blonde hair and blue eyes you would attract more attention then me for example, having Black hair, brown eyes...

Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 10:52 AM

Yes, I have found it difficult to have a meaningful conversation about such things as "embracing the faith" ... when the other party is engaged in throwing rocks at you. frown
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 11:09 AM
At this moment in time it is more difficult, I went in 1988...then no wars etc, but 2009 alot has happened. different scenario now
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 11:14 AM

Yes, best to leave it all as a fond memory, I reckon. And (if necessary) seek pastures anew, just as you seem to have done. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 11:21 AM
I never worry, still walk to the shops, balad etc. in shorts and T-shirt talk with the shopkeepers as normal. The local population are still behind their huge walls. The compounds are more like open prisons, but I just blank that out and get on with life as best as possible. Take a look at your own areas, people are scared to go out at night and where are the police (on the motorways chasing speeding motorists) catching real criminals is too dangerous.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 11:27 AM

I doubt that you're talking about places like Najran, Hafr Al-Batin, Khafji, Domat Al-Jundal (or any number of small desert towns), there Neil.

Yes, England is a mess, but (and to be fair) you can get help if and when you really need it. frown

No compounds here, Mate (not where I am, at least).
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 7:33 PM
It appears that Neil intends to spend the rest of his life in the Magic Kingdom.

I don't know if they will you citizenship unless you have completed all the rounds...
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 7:45 PM
No I will not spend the rest of my life here, just the next few years. One thing that is certain though, and that is I will not return to the UK. Hope you enjoy the weather that is heading your way this weekend. Me I will spend part of it around the pool, I still have homework to do from Cbahi busy as ever.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 7:53 PM

I knew a British guy (but not a biomed, I hasten to add) who had been out there for 35 years. If he's still there, and I should imagine he is, that would be 50 plus years now.

I shall call him Graham (why not? that was his name, after all). He had made all the right moves, such as "embracing the faith" (of course) and pretty much ingratiating himself with various princes. The last time I saw Graham he was acting very much as the man's man to the Governor of Najran. But alas, try as he might, he never gained the Saudi citizenship that he so dearly desired (unless, by this time, there has been a happy ending to this story).

On the other hand, Hassan (a Canadian citizen, but of Lebanese origin) was offered citizenship by no less a being than the Interior Minister himself, just as long as he married a Saudi woman. Unfortunately (or should that be the converse?), Hassan's first wife objected, so he was unable to take up the offer, to his eternal regret (or so it seemed to me)!

I myself (and to my own eternal regret) was never offered anything more than an Exit Only visa. Go figure! frown
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 8:01 PM

But us English enjoy the weather, Neil. After all, it has two great aspects:-

1) It gives us something to talk (or, in some cases, moan) about.
2) It helps to ensure that we stay so darned miserable.

It's howling a gale outside right now by the way. Blustery showers, I think it's called. smile

Personally, I love the weather. The more rough, and violent, the better (exhilarating, I think they call it) - just as long as I'm prepared, with the right kit on, etc.

You know, during my "Desert years" I sometimes found it hard to recall what it was like not being surrounded by (what would you call it ... ) beige. I had forgotten what it was like to have green all around. England does have some redeeming features, after all. In March 2004 (at Knaresborough, of all places) I felt snowflakes on my head for the first time in something like eleven years. And at Gloucester in the summer of 2007 we were under flood!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/11/09 8:56 PM
Had a few downpours early in October to tend with, was in Thailand at the time. I do enjoy a good thunderstorm.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 12:16 PM
Enjoy the Thunder Storm Neil by all means, Pray for rain....But Make sure after your rain dance your internal resistance high enough when the Lightening strikes you......
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 1:06 PM

I doubt there will be much praying for rain going on up in Cumbria. frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 1:16 PM
Umish, you seem a tad upset, I wonder why?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 1:20 PM

Surely, what we all really want to know is just where it is Umish actually is (as in, which continent, time zone, etc.)!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 1:22 PM
Maybe Huw, could answer that if Umish is unwilling
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 1:26 PM
Everyone on this forum knows their secrets are safe with me smile
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 1:27 PM

Meanwhile, I wonder if Nick still lurks. That is, keeps an eye on what's going on here on the forum, but no longer intervenes.

On the other hand, maybe he simply uses a noms de plume!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 20/11/09 7:22 PM
Your the main man Huw, Neil loves working with Andy.....together they are setting the standards? He calls him DOCTORA
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 3:05 AM
Umish; Am I detecting pangs of jealousy from your recent posts, as to the standards I know quite a lot of engineers, technicians who wish that some form of standards had been in place a long time ago. The standards that we are producing now, and remember this is not just biomedical, this is med gas, electrical, fire & safety, building codes etc. they may not be perfect at the first time of asking, but at least it is something to work with.
As for "Andy" I do not choose the committee members that I work with, I will tell you though that I was the only non-Saudi in the team.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 6:51 AM
What are the standards trying to invent?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 7:43 AM
Not inventing anything, adapting systems from other countries i.e. UK, US, Australia. At present there is no standard electrical outlet/voltage, medical gas pipeline. If you have been here you would have noticed that each healthcare facility conforms to the directive of the contractor and not a universal code and this has to change.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 7:59 AM
Depends which hospital you work in?

Some Built and Managed By British,

Some Built and Managed By Americans,

In the good old day's when money was plentiful, every country got a share of the pie.

I remember one turnkey project had a "cost plus " contract.....was anyone there during that time...? Geoff?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 8:50 AM
Each hospital built to their own standard, now all new builds will be subject to CBAHI codes and regulations, current hospitals will be given a 'grace' period to bring their facilities up to standard if it is proven that they are below standard. Should have been done years ago.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 9:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Neil Porter
... I was the only non-Saudi in the team.

Good luck to you, then.

@Umish - Cost plus 8% (and what's wrong with that?). smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 10:26 AM
Also last man standing, whilst we sort out the implementation process, everything looks easy on paper when you try to implement all the problems start to show.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 12:57 PM

I've taken a look at the CBAHI website (not to mention YouTube ... interesting choice of music!) and I can see the value in what y'all are trying to achieve. I must say, though, that I can't help wondering why you (they) don't just simply adopt JCAHO, NFPA et al and be done with it.

And, I'm wondering also if MoH have "come on board" (with their hundreds of hospitals, and thousands of clinics - many of which were, back in my day at least, located in residential "villas")!

Don't forget that many of us were around when those "turnkey" hospitals were springing up all across the Kingdom. And be assured that some of us were also quite vocal at the time regarding the need for sensible standardisation (only for it to fall upon deaf ears, of course ... and sometimes even threats about what might happen if we didn't, er ... shut up)! If you like, I could still name the projects, the contractors, and the (mostly corrupt) consulting engineers (so-called).

In one place where I was the biomed (and, by the way, the only Brit in town), we had quite a nice hospital, built by Koreans but following British practice when it came to things like PMG and power outlets. However ... one of the mudeers had part of the outside OPD ("screening clinic") converted into a dental lab. Fair enough, but (rather than asking us - the O&M contractor - to help) he brought in a gang of Egyptian muhandis from a well-known supplier of dental equipment in Riyadh.

And (as you may imagine) all did not turn out well. Not only did they fail to provide manuals or any other "non essential" items like that, but they also fitted the place out with "Schuko" power outlets. Some of the kit was 110 volts, complete with the dreaded "transformer" ... I expect you get the picture. And don't even ask about commissioning (eh? what's that? No need, inshallah).

Needless to say, when I finally got in there, I wasn't best pleased. In fact, it all ended in tears when (following a bit of a scene with the "Doctor" concerned) I refused to take responsibility for maintaining the stuff. And ... as you may well imagine, I didn't last too long there after that!

Oh yes, the joys of biomeding in Saudi Arabia! smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 2:56 PM
The MOH had this standardization programme for three years prior to CBAHI but as usual nothing got done, that is why all the healthcare facilities come under CBAHI now.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 3:21 PM

I can't help but wonder what shall become of the hundreds of hospitals (government and private) and thousands of clinics (ditto) that will fail to shape up!

How about "self-certification"? smile

Also, what a great job it would be, travelling around the Kingdom as an Inspector. Just think of all those free lunches!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 3:28 PM
Geoff, did you complete the application form to become a surveyor with CBAHI, available on the website. Also it is not only the standards that are being done, but the classification of the healthcare facilities and it is this part that is going to have a lot of people jumping especially when they consider their hospital is "A" grade when it is given a "B" grade.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 3:43 PM

I doubt that I would be very welcome, Mate. For one thing, too many of the mudeers would remember me, most likely ... and secondly, I would not be flexible enough in applying the rules (if you catch my drift)!

No doubt there are a hundred or more muhandis from "other nations" who would be most suitable! smile

Here's another one for you:- the last time (I think it was the last, but there were so many such instances, it is hard to be sure) I was, shall we say, abused by some of the more ignorant people out there, I asked myself "What am I doing here? Do these people really deserve what I'm trying to do?" ... and stuff like that.

I came to the conclusion (rather late in the day, perhaps ... but better late than never) that my efforts (constrained as they were) might be better directed amongst my own people. The people of England may have many short-comings (but show me any anywhere in the world who don't), but, like it or lump it (and come what may), they are my own people!

I might feel at times that my efforts (such as they are) are not wholly deserved, and probably not (on the whole) appreciated, but here I am, and here now I shall stay. These days my contributions are even more modest, but at least they are applied where I hope the most (practical) benefit can result. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 21/11/09 5:36 PM
How many of the mudeers are still around?, actually I don't know at the moment how the structure of the surveyors will be, maybe regional supervisors who knows. I have a meeting on Friday, if I remember I will ask. For now back to formatting the documentation. Working daytime in the hospital and at night a few hours for CBAHI, still the wife is not due out till next month so it keeps me away from temptation.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 9:41 AM
Hey Neil how would you handle the med device injury in jidda?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 12:03 PM
The same as mentioned above, remove the equipment, accessories and or cosumables, test the equipment thoroughly. Had a problem before in Riyadh a Doctor said that the dialysis machine caused the patient to feel ill and dizzy, I checked the machine and it was fine, I checked the patients record and the doctor had removed 10,ltrs of fluid in 4 hours, go figure.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 12:12 PM

... well, don't leave us all hanging there, Mate. What happened next?
Posted By: Angus Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 2:03 PM
Saudi was indeed a magical place back in the early eighties. No sorry... it was indeed crap, but at least I picked up a fantastic salary for the work done. Today, unfortunately it’s gone downhill, the money has decreased, yet the work has increased. The western biomeds there are a dying breed
Yet, I loved the place and would never change a thing from the life experience it afforded me throughout those years.
Angus (Riyadh 1980 to AlKhobar 2009)
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 2:30 PM
Geoff, I had a row with the doctor and told him a few 'home truths' he never tried to take that much fluid off a patient again, at least while I was still there.
Angus, but how is 'home' now?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 3:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Neil Porter
... at least while I was still there.

Which wasn't for much longer! Ha, ha. smile

@Angus

Yeah, it was amazing really that it lasted as long as it did.

Good luck in your new roamings (yes, that is a word ... I've just invented it)!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 6:07 PM
which make of machine was it? frensenius or Gambro ?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 24/11/09 6:53 PM
Secret and will remain secret, the fault was with the doctor not the machine.
Posted By: Triki Riki Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 25/11/09 1:20 AM
Yet, I loved the place and would never change a thing from the life experience it afforded me throughout those years.
Angus (Riyadh 1980 to AlKhobar 2009) [/quote]

Amen, ANGUS. Spent 1998 to 2004 in Riyadh with RKH in Royal Clinics. Just got tired of the senseless compound bombings and seeing western ex-pats leaving. Began to feel like somewhat of a target just going to Tammimi grocery store, OH WAIT, I might should not have put bumper stickers on my Jeep that read "I'm a gun owner, and I vote" and "America - Land of the Free".

Looks to me as if Saudis and Americans have quite a lot in common, here we use foreign workers to grow, pick, process, prepare and serve our food, clean, maintain, and build our homes, do our lawn chores, and chauffer our taxis, and then whine when they access our social benefits. OK, enough PUB talk.

Would like to contact Nick Brown, last known location RKH, Medical Physics Department.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 25/11/09 5:37 AM
A few people have tried to contact Nick, I think he is hibernating, he might surface in the spring
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 25/11/09 8:16 AM
We still wait for Neil to coax Mr Brown away from Linear acceleratr Number 2 in room 4, at RKH radiotherapy. Come on Neil......., lets get this award ceremony out of the way, before end of this year.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 25/11/09 8:41 AM
Umish, I am too busy to go to Riyadh on what may prove to be a wild goose chase, have you ever thought that they might have used the machine whilst he was still inside and he has morphed into something else?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 25/11/09 10:03 AM

Not only KSA and USA, Rick ... I would say that all affluent countries have gone down that same path (that is, the road to moral decadence and sloth). Have you ever been in Kuwait? And I won't even mention a certain island offshore the western edge of Eurasia! frown

Meanwhile, and as I have said before, for some strange (and as yet unexplained) reason, Nick is not the only Saudi correspondent we no longer hear from. I suspect that some kind of weirdness is going on.

Strange that we hear regularly from Neil, though.

I was thinking of calling for volunteers for a rescue mission, then I recalled my own years out in the Desert, where (to be honest) I was quite happy in my own little world, without any real contact with that outside. Another reason then (and indeed perhaps the main one) why I got along so well "out there"!

If Nick is happy, best leave him be. If you're reading this Nick, good luck to you, Mate. Some of us know where you're going from (as it were). But be sure to send a PM if you need "anything"! smile
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 25/11/09 10:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Neil Porter
... he has morphed into something else ...

... with an 007 avatar, for instance?

What is all this about - a cry for help?

Stranger things have been known. On line, things are sometimes (make that often) not as they seem!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 25/11/09 10:47 AM
Neil, you could be right, tell Andy to go and check radiotherapy. Maybe Nic recalibrated the Cobalt Dose deliver in correctly and got Over Dosed !
Posted By: GarethM Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 26/11/09 6:31 PM
Hi biomedbill

Gareth Murcutt here of the KHMC 86-89 vintage. I certainly remember the 'Hall of Shame' book that resided on the bar of the Marquess.
I know Jimmy Japp ended up working for Gambro in Australia and as for Nick Brown - Jimmy named him 'The Leicester Investor' - perfect!

Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 27/11/09 6:13 AM
Question, are there any biomeds still stranded at KHMC?
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 27/11/09 6:52 AM
Hello GarethM,

Jimmy Japp was last in MODA working before 1997, I saw his name on the 5.4 Ltr GMC truck which I bought out there!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 5:37 AM
Who has attended the largest number of parties in magic land?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 6:46 AM
At one time life was a party!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 12:48 PM

But these days it's just one continuous ache! frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 12:58 PM
Not an ache, just too much work now!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 2:05 PM

I was talking about myself. frown

But work is good. Without my work, I think I would have lost the will to live years ago. The secret (as we all must know) is to enjoy what you do (or should that be, do what you enjoy).

Meanwhile (and as I forecast some years ago ... and I take no pleasure in that), the "status quo" all around is crumbling away (if not tumbling down). It was all built on Hot Air and Candy Floss, anyway (not to mention, of course, lies).

What's the point in busting a gut these days? Anything you build up will most likely only get plundered by thieves, whether those in office, or out there on the street.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 2:40 PM
I really enjoy what I am doing now, plenty of variety, don't have plans for tomorrow as they always go astray, doing the standards, the hospital is constantly expanding. There is a new outpatients/speciality clinic being built soon to be followed by a cardiac centre and a new dental clinic and this is besides the constant refurbishing of the current clinics and wards. Life's a breeze.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 4:12 PM

Originally Posted By: Neil Porter
... I was wondering about the workforce in all this. As you know from out here the workforce are offered the choice to leave or transfer, would the same happen there.

(I hope you don't mind that I've switched threads ... but I reckon that one really belongs here)

I guess you're really thinking of the TCN under-class there, Mate. Fortunately for them, in the UK workers from overseas are not treated so badly. The UK may be bankrupt financially, but (unlike some other countries I could mention), it is not yet totally bankrupt morally speaking.

For instance, some people may not be aware that in most (all?) Middle Eastern countries, "guest" workers have their passports taken away when they arrive. I'm not saying this is good or bad (it never worried me personally), but I just mention it in the interests of balance.

During my time I also witnessed many instances of what would be referred to here in the Nanny Kingdom as "religious intolerance" and, indeed, racism. But there was no "compo culture" out in the Desert ... far from it, in fact.

However (as the recent news once again reminds us), here in the UK we have CEO's of failing public hospitals raking in in excess of £ 150 k per annum, and yet still refusing to go when "sacked"! It seems, then, that some people have no shame wherever they happen to be, and whichever culture they claim to be part of.

It truly is a "Mad World, My Masters"! frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 4:35 PM
Here we are all in-house, that is there are two groups, MODA the military and a few civilians (Saudi) and the rest of us (programme) and we are all treated well. Equal access to the Boss, salaries paid on time without delays, can't grumble.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 4:39 PM

Of course. But you are not an Indian national (for example), or a Filipino etc. smile

Here's a rather arresting phrase for all to ponder:- "the brutal reality of the world labour market in our wonderful Global Village"! How does that sound? Surely we can all agree (all of us ex-KSA veterans, at least) that it has the ring of truth about it?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 4:54 PM
They are treated the same except in salaries, but that goes for the whole of the Gulf region, in fact in the hospital there are only two British born passport holders. Most of the TCN's have their families with them here with both spouses working.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 4:57 PM

Sounds like you're on a Happy Ship there, Mate. Good for you. smile

But other possibilities do exist, as I'm sure you'll agree.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 5:16 PM
Other possibilities yes, have had quite a few offers to move, but there is a big challenge here and that stops me getting bored, plus I do have family status so none of that sharing malarkey (have to use a spell checker for that one)being on a compound with other companies/nationalities and not just hospital staff is a bonus. As I have said a few times a few more year left and it's of to the paddy field.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 5:18 PM

That's not really what I was getting at ... but never mind. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 28/11/09 5:40 PM
Wife and child joining me for christmas here, never **** on your own doorstep!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/11/09 1:23 AM
Yes you lucky person Neil, you and nick must be the last of to represent the Brit Biomed's in Magic wonderland we salute you. Bet you will miss it Neil especially as you have already turned in a desert Camel by now.(just joking)

I wonder how long you will enjoy the paddy field......?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/11/09 2:12 AM
As long as the sun is still shining, that's how long
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/11/09 2:43 AM
Umish, once again you have mentioned 'Nick' I can now tell you that he has turned his linear accelerator into a secret toy workshop and he will be making his one and only annual appearance towards the end of next month when he delivers the toys with his friend Rudolph.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/11/09 10:37 AM

That would be Saint Nick, then!

I sure hope he remembers me this year. [sigh]

The other thought that occurs is that if Rudolph is indeed shacking up for most of the year behind the Linac, then that may account for his red nose, I suppose. And there we all were assuming that those pick-up loads of hay were for Nick's camels! It just shows how wrong you can be. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/11/09 11:58 AM
Yes and the tailor was wondering why all the clothes he was ordering were red & white only.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/11/09 12:01 PM

Red and white gutrahs? Nothing new there, then. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 29/11/09 12:12 PM
After a few years behind the 'Linac' it is not only Rudolph's nose that shines, he now glows in the dark.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/11/09 10:19 AM
He has a green halo around him, from the cobalt isotope.!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/11/09 11:57 AM
@ Geoff, I sure hope he remembers me this year. [sigh]" are you hoping for new test kit or more old stuff to play with?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/11/09 12:03 PM

Test kit would be nice, and (as we all know) new medical test equipment - especially - is always such a gouge.

I have plenty of old stuff to play with (too much, if truth be told).

But, meanwhile ... £ 100,000 in cash would be really nice. Then I could actually retire. Any hopes on that score, do you think? smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/11/09 12:07 PM
Send your letter to the North Pole, and who knows!!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/11/09 12:07 PM

I don't do letters any more. Do you have the email address? smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/11/09 12:10 PM
No, but I could create one and see how many hits I get, do you still get paid per hit, or is that a thing of the past, if so I could always look for sponsors.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 30/11/09 7:55 PM
Hello Neil, Can you put up some nice pictures of Al-biland hotel and pictures of Jidda......

remembering the good old days, when a pepsi and shawarma cost 2 riyal !!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 5:17 AM
OK next time I am in the Balad I will take some pictures.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 7:41 AM
yes thanks is that al raji in the left corner still there?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 9:06 AM

No need. Just check out the Arab News and Saudi Gazette every now and then. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 9:10 AM
How many left corners do you know?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 9:17 AM

Has Google Street View appeared in Jeddah yet?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 9:18 AM
Yes, she is doing the pantomine this Christmas!
With the restrictions on photography being slightly lifted, I don't think Google will be allowed to have access for the street veiw.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 9:26 AM

I had heard that the camera car disappeared into an open ... er, drain. frown

How are things now regarding the Great Flood, by the way? Plenty of mud about, I should imagine.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 01/12/09 9:35 AM
The open drain, that's the one that runs down Thailia St. We are now waiting for the Great Sewage Lake to overflow (imminent) and see what that spews forth.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 11:55 AM
Send us some pictures of Magic Kingdom round abouts Neil.
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 12:07 PM
Suicide roundabout in Riyadh - ahh memories.... boggle cry eek sick
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 12:08 PM

Not this one, then? smile

No? OK, how about these, then?

Or maybe you can pick out something from this little lot!
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 12:15 PM
Wasn't this one on the news recently?
Can't say I've had the pleasure though....
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 12:20 PM

What's that ... Swindon? That one has been there for years.

Mind you, Milton Keynes also has a few interesting ones, and (as I have mentioned before) ... doesn't Harlow have a few? smile

Also Bracknell (if I remember rightly) ... and many other places too numerous to list.

And of course, in some parts of the UK the famous "mini-roundabouts" have been known to pop-up (seemingly over night) in the most unlikely (and, more often than not, unsuitable) of locations!

Meanwhile, this doesn't look so bad as I recall. Maybe it's the time of day (night).

And, lastly, here's more of the same.

But, finally (and for those who want more) ... check out these! Enjoy!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 12:52 PM
Actually the roundabouts in Jeddah are being replaced with fly-overs. The landscape is slowly changing.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 12:59 PM

Man, the roundabouts in Jeddah have always been "fly-overs"! Ha, ha.

But to be honest, I always found the intersections with traffic lights (I can't really use the phrase "stop-lights" here) to be by far the most dangerous. Such as the ones at the new "cities", like the grid system in Jubail, for instance.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 1:09 PM
Traffic lights are for foreigners, was a much used phrase in the A&E, Yanbu Royal commission, even today there are still no clear rules as to 'who has the right of way'
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 1:27 PM

I always thought it was Buicks at 100 mph!

Well, that and "there's nothing coming, inshallah", of course. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 1:35 PM
Not looking for other traffic!, the left hand door mirror is used for checking the left nostril, the rear view mirror is for the right nostril and/or dental work. the use of the mobile phone has rendered the steering wheel to become a knee operated device, as the right arm is usually slung over the back of the seat.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 1:43 PM

Surely you've heard of the phrase "natural selection"?

Anyway, you've forget to mention "adjusting the head-dress"!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 02/12/09 1:59 PM
Toyota's being used for family planning!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 04/12/09 8:33 AM
Talking about family planning, when I was a bachelor in Magic land, I boughtmy first a 4WD GMC Blazer, I had to get special police clearance because they may think you could .....
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 04/12/09 8:45 AM
But, Did You?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 04/12/09 10:05 AM

It must been a Suburban, then. Either that, or it had blackened windows. smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 04/12/09 8:21 PM
Now Now Neil, I would never do anything wrong.....but the 4WD suspension was pretty good!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 05/12/09 7:22 PM
The Suburban GMC was is used compulsively by the Muttawair "Rapid Response Swat Team"

Their Emblem:-

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3f/Mukfellas.png
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 09/12/09 11:08 AM

This post really belongs under this thread as well. smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 09/12/09 12:46 PM
Neil where is the Christmas Carol service in jedda this year? Will you be going?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 09/12/09 1:33 PM

I can't understand why you keep on baiting Neil, Umish.

To my mind, one of the great things about Jeddah is that there is no Christmas. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 09/12/09 2:29 PM
Do we detect pangs of jealousy as the nights draw in, the cold chill as you set of for work in the morning, all the moaning at work because it's cold outside and Christmas is so expensive.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 09/12/09 7:42 PM
send us some riyals for xmas Neil
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 09/12/09 8:30 PM
Ask Saint Nick, he is doing the deliveries again this year, along with Rudolph.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 09/12/09 8:38 PM

And ... by the sound of things, he may have a few (more) to spare! smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 3:21 AM
Umish, you are going to have to learn to live in the present and let the past go.
Posted By: Kawasaki Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 9:01 AM
What are you all on about????
If you moan about the UK then do as Neil has and move abroad where you can spend all your time posting replies on this forum!!
It all depends on what you want to do at the end of the day and whether you are prepared to put up and shut up.
I had an opportunity to go to Saudi in the mid 70's and never took it. It would have been a good experience, but I was thinking long term and wanted to develop my career in the UK.
Posted By: Lee S Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 9:19 AM
I had the chance to go to Iran in the late 80's and the Foreign Office "advised" me not to go.

Lee
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 9:42 AM
Believe me - it's not as good as you may think. It's very restrictive and very corrupt. Two major reasons why I returned.

I wouldn't want my family living out there.

Don't be jealous of anyone 'out there' it's simply a means to an end (albeit with sunshine.)
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 10:45 AM
Don't be jealous of anyone 'out there' it's simply a means to an end (albeit with sunshine.)
Shouldn't be jealous of anyone anyhow! Yes there is corruption here, name a country that has no corruption, especially amongst politicians.
Sunshine is good though even this late in the year.
Posted By: Lee S Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 11:21 AM
UK ah maybe not.

Lee
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 1:03 PM

Originally Posted By: Kawasaki
I had an opportunity to go to Saudi in the mid 70's and never took it.

Pity. Those were the pioneering days (when you could have really made a difference). Adventure, too. And I doubt that a couple of years out there would have been the kiss of death to your career in the UK (and quite possibly the converse).

Originally Posted By: Lee S
I had the chance to go to Iran in the late 80's and the Foreign Office "advised" me not to go.

Ditto. As usual, the FO know FA. smile

When my kids were young, they had an excellent time of it out in Jeddah in the early '80's.

Restrictive? It's all in the mind. If you know what you're doing, you can roam about at will, as I used to do. As I've alluded to before, the real problem with that these days is the so-called "security" situation. But that has only been the case since the invasion of Iraq.

And corruption? Who cares? It doesn't mean you have to be part of it. When it came to offering bribes, I always refused to be involved, and a senior Saudi used to travel down from Riyadh, ready and able to "do the needful"! Ever heard of wasta?
Posted By: Jonathan Wells Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 2:12 PM
^^^
I had not heard of wasta so I wikied it and am now enlightened!

The wiki page led me to look up Whuffie smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 2:31 PM
@Kawasaki, so how did your career in the UK progress, did you reach the top. (ditty from The Jungle Book came to mind there) or are there steps still to go?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 3:15 PM

I'm heartened to learn that my efforts are not entirely in vain, Jonathan. smile

@Neil ... what makes you assume that "getting to the top" was (is) the aim? May I commend you to the link provided by Jon (see above).
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 7:02 PM
Geoff, does ambition diminish with age?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 7:39 PM

Quote:
"Whatever they do, men are too anxious to get to the end. Sex, eating a fine meal, playing golf - there is always a temptation to rush, gobble, run. That is foolish, for one should move at a relaxed pace through life, doing the work one enjoys instead of chasing ambition helter-skelter, pursuing one's ultimate death." - a character speaking in Len Deighton's 1967 book "An Expensive Place to Die".
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 7:45 PM

More on "ambition":-

Quote:
If there ever was a politician whose honesty, human decency and ethical integrity were in inverse proportion to his political ambition and lust for personal power, it is [censored].

The entomological equivalent of [censored] would be a cockroach - an insect famed for its aversion to bright light and preference for living in the dark recesses of buildings, wallowing in the putrid, stinking filth of its own making, spreading diseases, and being so tough and resilient to pesticides and other hazards that if a nuclear war or asteroid impact wiped out every other animal species on the planet, it alone would survive.

It is high time that the boot of justice, human rights, civil liberties and public indignation stamped on this loathsome insect, and left his gooey, shattered exoskeleton on the pavement of Whitehall for the pigeons to peck at.

I'll leave it for everyone's individual entertainment to guess which current holder of High Office in the UK this (recent) quote claims to describe. But here's a clue:- it's not GB. frown
Posted By: Tony Dowman Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 8:37 PM
I always found that a decent Whack with a Flip-Flop sorted em out
no need for Nuclear Deterrant !!!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 10/12/09 10:22 PM

Splat! (messy)

But I think it will take more that a dab hand with a rubber sandal to sort out the particular bloke I have in mind. He's already had more lives than Felix the Cat.

Here's another clue:- he was already well ensconced back in the days of your namesake! frown

Meanwhile ... fancy having a crack at answering Neil's (rhetorical, supposedly) question? smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 3:56 AM
"Geoff is the quote regarding the 'Prince of Darkness'?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 4:56 AM

Which one (there have been at least two awarded that epithet in recent times)?

But the current holder (as commonly acknowledged) of that honoured badge of scorn is not, in fact, the despicable character being alluded to at the quote (although, it must be said, it could very well have been). Good try!

Or perhaps (the thought occurs) you were thinking of the senior Saudi often referred to in similar (actually, identical) terms? frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 6:46 AM
Not 'The' Tony Blair, the answer to all the worlds problems?
Posted By: Jonathan Wells Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 9:38 AM
Peter Mandelson? That man put me right off voting for his party back in 1997!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 1:20 PM

Both wrong, I'm afraid!

If you study the earlier clues ... er, posts, you will notice that both "Tony" and the "Prince" (sounds like the title for a fairy tale, doesn't it ... well, that's about right, then) have been discounted.

But both PM's mentioned there are likely candidates, I grant you.

And I was hoping to avoid the use of names ... believe it or not, I do value my freedom (and, as the thinking people among us will be aware, Modern Britain has carried on from where East Germany left off)! frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 1:29 PM
Tony and the Dark Prince are not the stuff of fairy tales, more like a horror story to me! Look out for MI5 (re Dr. Kelly)
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 1:35 PM

John Smith, Robin Cook ... it ain't funny, that's for sure! frown

Meanwhile, guess who's paying for the lorry loads of white wash for the latest ... er, inquiry (which, I notice, seems to have gone quiet these past few days ... Christmas Recess at the Trough, I suppose)?
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 3:50 PM
John Smith, Robin Cook ... it ain't funny, that's for sure!
Christmas Recess at the Trough, I suppose)?
All those turkeys (pun intended) are they tax deductable?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 3:58 PM

Don't worry, we taxpayers pick up the tab for everything. Why would anyone expect it to be otherwise?

(still trying to work out the pun, by the way) smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 4:07 PM
politicians, turkeys
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 4:10 PM

Troughs, pigs! frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 4:31 PM
They might all eat from the trough (tax payers money) but to be polite they are still a bunch of turkey's. Will you now reveal the name of who inspired the quote or is MI5 on your doorstep?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 4:41 PM

A good journalist never reveals his sources!

(but I may offer a further clue later)

Meanwhile ... in the Grand Scheme of Things, which is "worse" - the pig or the turkey?

Hint:- think Eric Blair (aka George Orwell)! smile

MI5 may be looking ... but I've laid a couple of false trails (they'll never take me alive)!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 4:46 PM
Met MI6 in Lagos, they knew where I was going before me, spooky!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 5:07 PM

My lips are sealed (Official Secrets Act, and all that, Old Chap). smile
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/12/09 7:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Geoff Hannis
(but I may offer a further clue later)

OK, here it is:- it wasn't Dave Nellist! smile
Posted By: Kawasaki Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 8:08 AM
This thread is moving along with some pace.
To go back to Neil's enquiry regarding my "rise to the top", I left the NHS in 1978, having been poached by an American company starting up in the UK. I eventually worked my way up to UK Sales and Marketing Manager, but then re-assessed my life and career.
Anyway I'm back in the NHS and working my way back up the ladder again but in a different role.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 9:09 AM
And the other question was 'does ambition diminish with age?'
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 10:37 AM

Optimism diminishes as reality sinks in. frown

Plans tend to be, shall we say, tempered by experience.

In advanced cultures (in China, for example) age - and its associate, experience - is much respected, whilst more primitive and Barbaric civilisations (that is, those still playing "catch up" - and those who continue to invade other cultures with impunity, for example) tend to revere other, rather more base attributes. They even coin new words (or misuse old ones) as shorthand for such nonsense. Here are a few that come to mind:- "Diversity", "Redaction", "Rendition", "Bonus", "Expenses", "Celebrity" etc., etc. frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 11:30 AM
The three stages of an expat,
1) Best in the world, can do anything
2) Reality check, let's just take the money
3) Depression sets in, when the days become monotonous.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 11:44 AM

OK Neil, time for you to move on from stage 2, then!
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 2:58 PM
Don't need the depression, could give that a miss once the missus tells me that we have enough money now!
Posted By: biomedbill Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 5:18 PM
I think you missed out there Kawa, if you left the NHS and rejoined later you could have taken the opportunity (sorry money!!) and broadened your horizons. I'm glad that I did, as I mentioned before, I went to Jordan. I was offered a job in Riyadh but there was more "freedom" in Jordan so I went there. There was so much to see and do. I have a wry smile when I see travel programmes on Jordan and think that I got to "do" it for next to nothing.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 7:31 PM
Not only Jordan, but the Middle East is a great place to start your travel as Africa is next door, the Far East is not that far, China is just up the road, and Europe could also be seen as a stop-over when returning to the UK, and not forgetting the South East, India, Sri Lanka etc.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 9:28 PM

Oh yes! The sights and sounds (and smells) of Jordan. I have happy memories of Tony Johnson being clouted by a camel driver at the Dead Sea when Tony got his Brownie camera out!

I can also recall the stench (and, of course, the flies) from the Gents at the "Guest House" as well! smile
Posted By: hobar Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 9:50 PM
Hi All,

Are they still jobs going in the "Magic Kingdom" my greatest mistake was ever leaving.

Hobar
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 14/12/09 9:59 PM

Welcome to the forum, Matey.

Having spent a few years in 'hobar myself in the late 1980's and then again in the mid '90's ... all I can say is "join the club"!

In fact, the last time I was in that area would have been my final visit to the National Guard Hospital at Dammam almost exactly six years ago.

However (as I have said more than a few times recently), things are a bit different out there now. Even saying that, I wish I had simply kept my head down and carried on. But I guess there's no going back now. Still, it's nice to reminisce, is it not? smile
Posted By: Kawasaki Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/12/09 8:27 AM
In answer to Biomedbill and Neil - I don't think I missed out at all. I went into the commercial side of the business with 50% more income initially and travelled the world. The only thing that I possibly missed out on was long service in the NHS with the possibility of early retirement and a decent pension. Having said that, I have managed to accrue a decent NHS pension (previous service counts as continuous for pension and holidays) along with a final salary pension from my company.
Posted By: biomedbill Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/12/09 5:27 PM
Horses for courses Kawa, do you know of any jobs going in Bahamas, Bermuda etc? Could be a nice retirement plan!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/12/09 5:34 PM

Would you settle for ... Bermondsey?

They're looking for a number of "Diversity Managers" there, apparently (whatever those are).
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/12/09 7:11 PM
They look after the traffic, apparently
Posted By: biomedbill Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 11:14 AM
I'd rather have Barnsley than Bermondsy. It's all about the quality of life: affordability and clean air etc.
as for Diversity, the seem to be doing ok for themselves (Geoff, see Royal Variety Performance for a clue).
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 11:28 AM

Me too, Bill, for sure. smile

But regarding such matters as the "new industries", such as so-called "diversity", "climate change" ("regime change") ... and all the rest (and there are many) ... well, please don't get me started! frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 11:32 AM
In the seventies, according to the scientists we were heading into an ICE AGE, now we have global warming, give them another couple of years and maybe we will be heading back to the ice age.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 11:34 AM

Come now, Neil. It's not "Global Warming" this week, is it? It's "Climate Change"! You really must try harder to keep up!

As I say, it's just another "industry". Something for (soon to be) ex-NHS managers to have a go at, perhaps? frown

P'ssst:- anybody interested in some cheap Carbon Credits?
Posted By: Lee S Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 12:46 PM
Do you think that the current situation with all the scientists rabidly attacking anybody that is not convinced by the current “climate change” thinking funny?

I was under the impression that scientists tried to prove their ideas by putting a thesis or model of a situation out. Other scientist etc can then try to prove/disprove this model.

Newton did this with his law of gravity only to have it disproved at a later stage as our understanding advanced.

As for Gordon Brown telling me anything to do with climate change or finance and how he is going to the save the world, well sorry but if he says black I say white (that was the polite version).

Lee
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 1:10 PM

No, funny is not the word. The one I would use is [censored]!

Anyone with half a brain can see that it's yet another attempt to keep the plebs worried (nay, anxious), feeling guilty, dependent upon Nanny, and compliant when it comes to coughing up yet more taxes. Do you feel guilty? I certainly don't.

But these things should not be taken too seriously. Or else we will end up like those anal retentive [censored] themselves! smile

Here's a thought:- if the Maldives are soon to disappear beneath the waves ... how come they are building a new airport there? And ... who's paying for it? 'Nuff said, methinks.

And (whilst I'm on), on a related tack. How come the UK (bankrupt) is still sending "overseas aid" to a country that has both nuclear weapons ... and a space programme? Go figure!

But what's this about Newton? Do apples just float about these days, then, rather than bounce off your head? smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 2:19 PM
If the earth was a perfect globe, and the trajectory around the sun was perfect, then there would be no changes, but it ain't
Posted By: Lee S Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 2:41 PM
Apparently Newton's law of gravity doesn't account for the way planets and stars effect each other.

So it is a bit like the explanation of how atoms are made up that is given to children; atoms do not really look like miniature solar systems, reality is a bit to complicated so a simpler model that is easily understood is given.

If this is not really how atoms look but you tell children that it is, then you are lying to children according to Terry Pratchett.

There are lots of examples of this such as how is a rainbow produced or the explanation of how a PN junction works.

Lee
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 3:10 PM

So we should be alright as long as we don't wander too far beyond the Van Allen belt, then?

Surely it's well known that when teaching (instructing, lecturing ... whatever) you need to pitch your material at the level of the class.

In other words, it's not much use teaching "rocket science" to five year olds, is it?

First approximations are probably good enough for anything the likes of us are likely to encounter! After all, aren't we practical, hands-on (down to earth) types who fix things with screwdrivers and the like? Anything beyond that is best left to the boffins I reckon.

I remember once giving a talk on "How X-Rays Are Produced" to a bunch of squaddies. A complete waste of time for all concerned! smile
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 4:41 PM

Originally Posted By: Neil Porter
... now we have global warming ...

It's snowing in parts of England today. Bit of a cold wind where I am, too.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 5:11 PM
Went to the Balad this morning, shorts and T-shirt as usual. A pleasant 25 degrees, Should have kept your head down, maybe then you could have collected the prize from Umish whatever it may turn out to be.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 17/12/09 5:16 PM

Yes. A big mistake (not that there haven't been others). But I have to serve my penance. It was either living in England or fasting, lying on rocks heated by the sun, ... or something of the kind. frown
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 26/12/09 8:51 AM
Merry Christmas and a Happy New year to all My Friends, colleagues, comrades on this EBME forum.

A Special mention to those Biomeds working in adverse conditions in The desert's of Arabia,
The Jungle's of the Amazon
and the outback's of Australia.....

Wishing you all peace and prosperity for 2010
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 5:35 AM
I am looking for my old Friend and Colleague Frank Murphy, Mechanical Tech anyone have his contact details? He was the Master of "Home Brew" in the Magic Kingdom !
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 8:28 AM
Check your PMs smile
Posted By: DaveC in Oz Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 11:07 AM
Be careful what you say here, as I understand it "home brew" is frowned upon in that part of the world.

It would be like me saying "I remember sharing a HUGE SPLIFF with Geoff at Knebworth (? spelling) while watching Frank Zappa in '79", not that that happened of course.

Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 11:18 AM
Was Frank Zappa involved as well?
Posted By: DaveC in Oz Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 11:41 AM
Oh YES, for those who can remember, the headlines were, Frank Zappa (and the Mothers of Invention) and then "the Tubes"

It was MIND BLOWING, well, as far as I can remember it was boggle

or what about Reading in about '75, Wishbone Ash, Yes, Hawkwind etc
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 12:00 PM
Originally Posted By: DaveC in Oz
Be careful what you say here, as I understand it "home brew" is frowned upon in that part of the world.


Hmmm, I saw an awful lot of this sort of thing going on in the Kingdom...
Posted By: DaveC in Oz Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 12:05 PM
OK, let's throw caution to the winds then ! I'm going to have to go back to my old photo prints to match that but, give me a few days.....................
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 12:34 PM
That was around 1989 I think boggle
Posted By: DaveC in Oz Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 12:43 PM
and, with out wishing to get anyone arrested, is this you? or some other derro?

Sorry, that may be a bit unkind............... grin
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 1:09 PM

Not a good idea posting that sort of photographic evidence on here, I would have thought. People have been flogged for that sort of thing, you know.

Unless, that is, we are going to open up a new thread headed "Sad ********" or some such thing.

Don't forget, folks, it was me who was moaned about to "Senior Management" regarding (what were perceived by anal retentive types as) "unprofessional posts"! frown

@Umish ... sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie. Or else ... what's your agenda here? Stirring the ****?
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 1:40 PM
Nope that's a good mate of mine and the guy who introduced me to the fine art smile

Originally Posted By: Geoff Hannis
Not a good idea posting that sort of photographic evidence on here, I would have thought. People have been flogged for that sort of thing, you know.


He left over 10 years ago.
I can't imaging the muttawas knocking on his door in Bracknell... rolleyes


Originally Posted By: Geoff Hannis
@Umish ... sometimes it's best to let sleeping dogs lie. Or else ... what's your agenda here?


What's wrong with trying to contact old mates?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 1:47 PM

Yes. But we're not sure what's coming next, are we? Anyway, it's no skin off my nose, that's for sure. It's just that (as I have alluded to above), not everyone is as "broad shouldered" as Yours Truly.

And don't forget the blokes who are still out there. This sort of exposure does not help (as I know from my own experiences of being asked to explain "Western behaviour", and visiting - taking food to - saddos crying in stinking jails).

PS: do you have his Post Code? frown
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 2:24 PM
I attended a party at the airport organized by the US desert storm troops !
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 2:26 PM
AND!!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 2:37 PM

Or (rephrased slightly) ... SO WHAT! smile
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 2:58 PM
Play nicely gents smile
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 3:12 PM

Aye, Aye, Skipper. smile

I once witnessed a beheading in the town square at Khamis Mushayt. Does that count?
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 3:13 PM
Yes, it does. boggle
(I could never bring myself to go to one.)
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 3:17 PM

As you probably know, you are "encouraged" to attend!

Luckily, it wasn't one of my guys. smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 11/01/10 7:11 PM
One afternoon we were at the Rea Sea Palace, on friday after the main prayer they executed three guys outside on the square from Pakistan for drug traffic...I was unable to watch but my mates did.....
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/01/10 2:54 AM
Now we are getting into the 'my dad's bigger than your dad' syndrome.
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/01/10 10:43 AM
They Call it " Wasta " ! Neil......
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/01/10 4:05 PM
got loads of that!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/01/10 7:52 PM

He said wasta ... not pasta!
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 12/01/10 8:23 PM
"That's why you are still hanging in there Neil" you smart old owl.

Did you talk to 'wasta' Andy about allowing nick brown to talk on the forum...

I think they have put a restriction on him for some reason....

His overtime claim is the highest over Xmas and New Year that when he does major overhaul on the Lin Acc's.
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 13/01/10 2:43 AM
Umish, less of the old you are as young as feel, and i feel quite a lot of young ***'s
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/01/10 7:18 PM
what I meant neil is WISE owl.........


so where is Nick?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 15/01/10 9:51 PM

I'm sure that's what Neil meant as well ... owl's (as in ***'s). smile

But notice that (as so often is the case on here), the apostrophe is either incorrect, or else Neil has dropped a word off the end of his post. As in "quite a lot of young owl's feathers" (or whatever). Either way, it's low marks all round for spelling, grammar and (lack of) capitalisation, I'm afraid.

Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/01/10 3:26 PM
I know the posts are getting thin on the ground, but to resort to English lessons to brighten an otherwise dull day, nothing better to do, Geoff?
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/01/10 5:42 PM
Neil has to speak in Jidda Englissh........
that is why he is able to communicate his ideas to the biomedical committee,,,,
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/01/10 7:43 PM

It's my life's work you're talking about, Neil.

And anyway, 'tis the work of a few moments to (try to) educate the dull and the ignorant.

You know me Neil, I never have been one to tolerate sloppy work, whatever form it takes. smile
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/01/10 7:51 PM
Pigeon English, Taglish, Jidda or any other type you want to name, my English is a lot better than a lot of people I know. Tardiness and Stupidity are my biggest gripes in this world.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/01/10 8:06 PM

How's your French? Qui s'excuse, s'accuse! smile

I can handle stupidity. Some folk just can't be otherwise, however hard they try.

Greed, selfishness, sloth in general and not giving a **** about other people are (the main things) that incur my wrath! frown
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/01/10 8:15 PM
The stupidity that I am talking about is those that claim to be clever, degree educated who don't know their ar** from their elbow.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 16/01/10 8:54 PM

Oh, you mean "educated idiots"? There are a few about, no doubt. But (I must admit) I don't waste too much time on them myself. I'm generally content to be getting on with something useful, whilst leaving the talking to others. smile
Posted By: Umi Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/01/10 10:46 AM
Hey Geoff which languages do you speak besides Chinglish
Posted By: Neil Porter Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/01/10 12:40 PM
Umish, why the personal attacks (insecurity)???
Posted By: Huw Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats - 18/01/10 1:05 PM
ok - I think this thread has gone far enough.

Locking it down now.
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