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Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 08/06/16 12:19 PM


There are rumours bouncing around that a tax is being proposed on remittances being sent out by expats from Saudi Arabia. A figure of 6% has been mentioned.

I wonder how that will be implemented (collected) ... deducted by the bank when a transfer is made, I suppose? Hopefully not a deduction from salary every month!

Meanwhile, I read that income tax for locals is still not being considered.

How about it Neil; what gives? smile

Happy Ramadan, by the way.

See here for the earlier thread.
Posted By: Angus

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 10/06/16 4:32 PM

Never happen mate! The Saudi authorities have harked on about this for the last 30 years. I remember, during the 80's it was imminent that tax would be introduced however; overnight this was withdrawn after they heard that the majority of western expats would leave the country.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 10/06/16 5:42 PM


I also remember when they tried it on before, Angus. frown

As well as the time of the rumours about revaluing the Riyal; which turned out to be another "damp squib", thankfully.

But the dynamics are a bit different these days, I would suggest. Far fewer Western expats to worry about leaving, for starters. As well as the ever-increasing local population (to be "supported"), falling oil revenues, a different (younger) generation in charge ... and all the rest.

No doubt they are "testing the waters" again now (as there's a lot about it on the internet). My guess is that they will be trying to calibrate the amount - some expats might be able to shrug off 5% (say); but if it was as high as 20% then, yes, we would expect a mass exodus.

Meanwhile, here in the UK, I'll admit I'm far more concerned about (supporting) "Biomeds for Brexit"!
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 23/06/16 7:15 AM

Have a look at the project 2030, don't know if this is the year 2030 or 20:30 as all plans here fail. Unless they go back to basics, fix the education system, teach responsibility nothing will work.
For me I am planning to retire this coming January, so really whatever they do I don't care. Golf and the Beaches in Thailand will be a welcome sight.
Posted By: Malcolm

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 23/06/16 10:39 AM

Neil, don't suppose you need a caddy or someone to spread suntan lotion on your back ?????
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 23/06/16 5:53 PM


Originally Posted By: Neil Porter

...all plans here fail. Unless they go back to basics, fix the education system, teach responsibility nothing will work.


Are you talking about KSA or UK there, Neil. smile

In both countries over-population is the Elephant (camel?) in the Room ... that, and a general lack of opportunities for the "masses" - but (as the recent referendum campaigns have reminded us), in the UK at least, all the so-called "leaders" do is pussy-foot around. frown

BTW, I see that SANG has been getting nicely tooled up again (I'll leave others to draw their own conclusions - if any - from that development).

Many golf courses in Thailand, Neil? I thought it was all paddy fields and so forth.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 23/06/16 5:58 PM


What's wrong with just heading a little way south from where you are, Malcolm?

Surely you like tomatoes (and olives etc.) ... and isn't that where the pasta trees are?

Ciao smile
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 28/06/16 6:58 AM

Loads of golf courses in Thailand, plus rice fields (own one) With your exit from the EU maybe you might have money to spend on education and health, unless the cronies decide to keep the money in London and the South East as usual.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 28/06/16 11:04 AM


Hopefully a bit left over for building more houses, and defending our borders, as well.

But maybe you haven't heard about the "Northern Powerhouse", Neil. Quite a few golf courses around up there (but very few paddy fields). smile
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 28/06/16 4:25 PM

Geoff, the sun don't shine that much more.
Posted By: ariel dulay

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 08/08/16 6:55 AM

[For me I am planning to retire this coming January, so really whatever they do I don't care. Golf and the Beaches in Thailand will be a welcome sight. [/quote]

Hopefully not here in the forum. smile

..and don't forget your frustrated friend here. smile maybe you can share all your new doc. before the time comes. wink
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 01/07/17 9:26 AM


Originally Posted by Angus
Never happen mate!

Looks like it has!

And the thin end of the wedge, no doubt. frown

Do Saudi citizens pay Income Tax these days?
Posted By: ariel dulay

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 02/07/17 2:19 AM

maybe somebody running out of Gold. : - )
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 01/01/18 6:56 PM


I have just learned that both the KSA and UAE have introduced VAT at 5% on most goods and services. frown

But the Makkah-Madinah high-speed railway will be carrying passengers soon. Planned journey time is two-and-a-half hours, apparently.

By the way, if there was ever an oxymoron, surely it must be a "value added" tax!
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 07/01/18 4:13 PM


I hear that the Princes* now have to pay their own utility bills.

Wow, things are really getting bad out there. whistle

* For those who don't know, there are rather a lot of them.
Posted By: Electric Blobby

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 27/08/18 8:33 PM

In my case it was the change in law for property ownership as you can buy but if you die the government gets the proposers and if you leave the government expects all property value back so they can re sell. Ludicrous I said so invested in other countries but had a run of bad kick so back to blighty.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 28/08/18 11:23 AM


Are you talking about the Kingdom?

What's the point of buying property there if you're not allowed to live in it? Unless things have changed drastically since I was there, there's no way you would be granted Saudi citizenship or rights to permanent residence. Once you have run out of work (or local sponsorship), you get chucked out - as happened to me a couple of times. And once you're out, you would have very little (tending to zero) control about what happens to anything you had to leave behind in the desert (again, I have stories to tell).

Unlike the UK, the KSA does not like the idea of the country and its assets being owned by foreigners. And quite right, too. whistle

Although I might add that retirement to Abha or Al-Baha (or maybe Taif) would be an attractive proposition as far as I am concerned. smile

BTW, there's no "if" about dying. It's more a question of "when" (and "how").
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 13/05/19 9:21 AM

June 20, 2019 will be my last day here in Saudi Arabia. Clearance has been completed and now waiting for the remaining formalities to be completed (after Ramadan) then a One Way Flight.
Posted By: Huw

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 13/05/19 11:03 AM

Ah, not long now, then. Best of luck in retirement Neil. Stop by and say hello, some time. smile
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 14/05/19 10:29 AM


All good things must come to an end, sadly. frown

When you get round to writing your *memoirs, Neil, I even have a title for you:- "The Last Man Standing".

And don't forget that "retirement" does not mean you shouldn't come on here with Words of Wisdom from time to time!

All the Best, Mate. Flying East? smile

* I tried to get Big Tony to get his stories written down - I even offered to edit them - but (as far as I am aware) they have still yet to see the light of day.
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 14/05/19 11:44 AM

Flying West first, few things to do in the UK including 'meetings' then off to Thailand.

Time to close the book on Saudi Arabia, memoirs will anyone believe (fact or fiction)
Posted By: Angus

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 15/05/19 1:16 PM

Have no regrets about leaving Neil. The Kingdom is no longer fun to work in now that most of the Western Expats have hung up their boots.
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 15/05/19 2:34 PM

No regrets at all Angus, How is Libya, I started my 'journey' in Libya in 1981 down in Sebha.

The journey ends in Jeddah and I will be living in Thailand rather than returning to the UK
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 15/05/19 4:40 PM


The "fun" went out of working in the Kingdom very soon after the 2003 invasion of Iraq, Angus.

But I'm thinking about (remembering) travelling around "remote" areas, rather than living in "expat compounds".

Things got a bit "hair raising" on a number of occasions. frown

Some years ago, thinking (hoping) that things might have quietened down a bit later on, I had a couple of goes at trying to get back out there. But things did not proceed in my favour; I wrote those abortive efforts off to "Fate". A few times in my life I have found that sometimes you just can't force things to turn out as you might have hoped. And at least in the UK (so far) I haven't had gangs of youths throwing rocks at me ... etc., etc. (or even - shot at, as happened to me once whilst jogging home across the desert - the guy did it in "fun", or so I imagine; packs of feral dogs were also a problem where I was at that time, too). whistle

Were you in Khobar at the time of the 1996 bombing, Angus? That was a big bang! For a moment there I thought I was back in Northern Ireland. But are you still in Tripoli? Surely that must be a bit "fun", too?
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 15/05/19 5:05 PM


There's nothing for the likes of us in the UK, Neil; personally I believe it has been that way for decades. Even after fifteen years of being back, I continue to feel that I don't belong.

Many of my (our) Old Mates have retired now; including blokes I have known who worked in the NHS (as well as many who used to frequent this forum). Mates have relocated to Cyprus, Laos ... and yes, Thailand. Sadly, more than a few have moved on to that "Big Workshop in the Sky". frown

I'm hoping to escape myself before too long (just as soon as I complete my current project - which, I must admit, has become a bit "never ending").

I always promised myself one of those Kanoo "around the world tickets" (do they still do them?) ... but I have in mind something a bit more "permanent" now. smile
Posted By: Angus

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 24/05/19 3:39 PM

Anybody here that used to be a subscriber to Expats International. If I remember right Keith Emerson (I think this was the name) himself an expat set the magazine up. It was prevalent during the time 70/80s. That time there were numerous Biomed positions on offer, predominantly in the middle east but also worldwide. You didn't have to look for a job, the agents would call you.

I obtained many contracts during this time through this association. Unfortunately, the health-related jobs disappeared in time and were replaced by oil/gas related positions. Thats when I decided the membership fee was worthless.

Those were the days.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 24/05/19 3:42 PM


Keith Edmunds, Angus. smile

I met him once, many years ago. A good bloke ... but I don't think he ever forgave "his two girls" who left him to set up as a rival. frown

Yes, the Jobs Section of the magazine was a loose "pull out". You're right about "oil and gas"; we probably should have re-trained and got into all that, Mate. Bit late now, though.

Of course, what really killed off Expats International was the internet!

Do you remember Paddy Earp ("Middleman"), Angus? For a few years he was "the one to go to" for overseas biomed jobs. Yes, those were indeed the days; in a way it's amazing that it lasted as long as it did - what with "Saudization" and all that.
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 09/06/19 9:51 AM

This it 'finally' the last "working" week in KSA.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 09/06/19 4:01 PM


Not too late to change your mind, then, Neil. smile

Or is it definately "exit only" this time?
Posted By: Neil Porter

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 09/06/19 5:31 PM

Exit Only,

One Way Flight, Friday Morning 21 June 2019, the next few months are already mapped out with meetings in the UK and Thailand, busy guy.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis

Re: Magic Kingdom Biomed Expats II - 09/06/19 6:29 PM


... looking for someone to publish your memoirs? think
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