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Posted By: BSM Braun Infusomat Space - 23/08/06 12:16 PM
Does anyone have any experience / comments regarding this device from either the user perspective or from a technical viewpoint?
Posted By: JackFlash Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 24/08/06 8:47 AM
Hello BSM, here is a Dept. of medical technics in a prague hospital.

We've got these in our child cardiocenter, in a chronic resuscitation ward and an ER. It is realy imaging, when the drive head moves to ready position for a syringe (allows use 2ml, 5ml, 10ml, 20ml, 30ml, 50m in Perfusor Space) and when the door opens automaticly (Infusomat Space).

Infusomat Space needs its own special IV set (silicon working segment, it is not one of the cheepest). The "new standard is: no more drop sensor", it is only optional, and no more place for a numeric keyboard.

Positives: the small size, similar to Perfusor Space, nice melodies.

Negatives: too many functions ("space nurses must be clever than earth ones" one of earth ones said), sometime the problem with locking the door (the lock is locked, but the door is opened??? - new open of the opened door helps), in my eyes, the smart battery will be problem (who knows SBS for a Viridia bedside, knows what i am thinking. I hope, there will be some BBraun recycling, because in other way it is a heavy duty wasting): Infusomat calls for a battery maintenance in (for example) 2 month intervals (nurse must accept this need and the pump starts one day discharge and charge process - no transport use),

2 events of a locked drive of Perfusor Space of cca 100 devices and 2 years using.

Every keyboard touch must be confirmed by OK button. The pump talks, and talks a lot. "She" asks "her" questions> "Are you thinking about opening the door?, Do you wanna switch me off?" etc.

You need a dockstation for 4 Infusomats (Perfusors) for charging and for holding, or special holder for one pump and a special AC/DC adaptor.

Epilogue: This is the future, but please, let me stay for a little, little while in a presence...and just look at this.
Posted By: BSM Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 04/10/07 5:58 PM
I thought I'd revive this topic as I was would like to know if anyone else has got any comments on these pumps, good shades or bad mad .
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 04/10/07 10:59 PM
What, even after that glowing report from Jack? It seemed pretty conclusive to me. Wonder if he has anything to add now that another year has passed? smile
Posted By: Mofe Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 04/10/07 11:04 PM
Hi BSM,

I agree to the opinion of Jack. The nurses prefer to work with infusion pump FMS or FM of what the Space.
The SPACE is not practises for the day gives it is necessary to answer to many questions before start to work.

Regards,

Oliveira Eugénio
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 2:43 AM
It certainly looks like a neat little thing. And she certainly seems to like it (.pdf). smile
Posted By: Alok Sharma Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 6:33 AM
you need to have intellegent people to handle intellegent machine. i have incident of space broken due to unlocking.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 12:29 PM
And therein, my good Alok, lies the problem! smile
Posted By: John Harte Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 2:20 PM
looking at the pictures Geoff kindly supplied and from my own experience the pump is lovely and neat BUT look and the reason why the exposed drive arm is begging to be knocked and broken it offers no protection
Posted By: Simon Finney Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 2:34 PM
When the pump is powered off the drive arm is automatically parked tight up against the pump body in two years of using these we have not had one damaged.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 2:41 PM
That's nice feedback, Simon. But what about its verbosity, as mentioned by Jack and Mofe. Any problems with that? smile
Posted By: BSM Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 6:35 PM
I think you are confusing the Infusomat (volumetric pump) with the Perfusor (Syringe driver). I am looking for people with opinions of the former, but I would also be interested to hear what you think of the service from BBraun.
Posted By: Geoff Hannis Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 05/10/07 7:15 PM
The second link shows them both, BSM, each as talkative as the other no doubt. But yes, let's hear from some people actually using them. smile
Posted By: BSM Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 16/10/07 5:33 PM
Well, the silence is deafening! confused

Either BBraun have a negligible install base, or..............
Posted By: Double D Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 17/10/07 12:08 PM
We have just taken delivery of 72 Infusomat Space pumps and only this week have put them in situ. Lets watch this space (no pun intended) over the next few weeks to see what happens. DD
Posted By: Double D Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 30/11/07 9:55 AM
After about 6 weeks working with these pumps we have noticed a possible problem. There appears to be an intermittent fault with up-stream occlusion. For no apparent reason the pump will fail up-stream occlusion, go into pause state awaiting the user to first accept the fault condition by pressing OK to silence the pump allowing quite time to assess what is wrong. Once sorted you should be able to just re-start the infusion. This is the problem area. For some reason it intermittently stays in the fault state and you can't recommence with the infusion. The quick fix is to open the door, close it and from there recommence with the previous therapy set. But even that takes 47secs to accomplish (not really a quick fix). You can imagine with trying to run inotropes through these pumps (I do appreciate not all areas use volumetric’s for this task) it causes a major problem. The company have been very pro-active in trying to assess what is wrong and I have to praise them for that. So my question is has any one else come across this problem? DD
Posted By: bcarlisle Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 30/11/07 12:59 PM
we have just taken delivery of 70 odd with another 200 on the way. During pre installation testing one of the pumps did thsi but it was down to using the lines for so long they were starting to grow their own little sub world. Line changed all ok. Have had problems that they were running blood through them and have had a few air alarms. Turned the pump on its end and used the 200 micron (I think) line no problems. The only other thing it can be is when you load a set it says to leave the bag clamp on until it has done its stuff and then it tells you to open the clamp. (have they been opening the clamp too soon).

What we have found is that you will go to a broken pump and find the green release lever wont move. The door although open needs to be told to open again, they have just not caught the door when it has been closed. Tell tale sign is the green lever wont move and the metal clamp inside is closed.
Posted By: Double D Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 30/11/07 1:47 PM
The clamp is not being opened to early at initial set up. Where this problem has been seen is when the pump has actually been running for some time. Can you please elaborate the issue with the green release lever? Sounds familiar but haven't seen it myself.
Posted By: BSM Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 01/12/07 11:05 PM
I think you will find that if the lock-bolt on the door mechanism is closed, then the green safety clamp button cannot be pressed down.

I have seen it happen a couple of times. I think it can happen if the batteries run too low, as the pump closes the door lock-bolt before it shuts down. I believe this to be the case because whenever I have seen it, the pump has usually got a low battery charge.
Posted By: BSM Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 01/12/07 11:13 PM
If you come across this problem, you should be able to fix it by switching the pump on, and opening the door lock-bolt using the keypad. this will enable you to press the green safety clamp button down.

Note: If the clamp button is forced down, it can damage the clamp assembly.
Posted By: JackFlash Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 24/03/11 8:37 AM
Hello again boys! It is not a long time since the last post here and I think still actual. We have another expirience with these Spaces in our hospital...There are more then 300 machines here. Bcarlisle, we have had problems with air alarm, too. It started in the same time B.Braun change the plasticizer in the IV sets (beacuse of the DEHP risk). We noted dozens air sensor false alarams and, what more, about 30 demages of air sensor. From begining, the B.Braun service dept. does not want to take responsibility for these incidents. Now after one year, they changed the internal design of the air sensor and solve this problem on their own costs, here. The problem with a broken safety clamp persists. And there is a problem with an infuison and desinfection solution leakage throuht the operating unit flat cable into the device mainboard. This leads to the mainboard demage. Anyway, please, lets make it better, B.Braun...
Posted By: richard coleman Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 24/03/11 2:14 PM
we have had these pumps for about 5 years if you want to discuss please feel free to call 01493 452468.

regards

richard
Posted By: Electric Blobby Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 27/03/11 4:59 PM
We have just trialled this pump and this is a nightmare to work on and equally what about the cost ompact of the smart cells when the cycle advice is not followed. Money makes the world go round. Eually the mains adaptor is this really practical?
Not for us...
PAul
Posted By: Electric Blobby Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 27/03/11 5:01 PM
Also the company,management and rep are real delboy's and the costs for service are not good. (This is an observation only)
Posted By: ariel dulay Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 28/03/11 5:30 AM

absolutely correct.I also noticed that to those second or third party company...in the future become head ache of in house BioMed.
Posted By: bcarlisle Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 28/03/11 11:53 AM
Heres just two of our boxes. They just happen to be in a F&P box.

Posted By: bcarlisle Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 28/03/11 12:06 PM
Try again
Posted By: Mithrandir Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 28/03/11 3:06 PM
I'll bet you the rep says " you are the only one getting these issues, we can't understand it."

Broken pole clamps, unfit for purpose power supplies and change all the boards inside at the slightest hint of a problem.

When these are out of support I will have a job for life fixing them as long as the spares can be afforded.
Posted By: RoJo Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 29/03/11 7:06 AM
Quite the oposite experience here. Had a load for a year and hardly any problems except with the power supply which we warned was an older model with known problems. These are swapped out for free if they fail which they rarely do.
RoJo
Posted By: bcarlisle Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 29/03/11 11:57 AM
Ours were fine for the first year and they go through cycles of breakage. Do you have the new type safety clamp as the old ones get broken very easily. Have to agree that the power supply is rubbish, although they now say they potting them. Our concern from the outset was the power supply. As we all know the wards lose stuff all the time and the supplies are no different except an IEC lead is £2 compared to a £70 supply. The supplies are also electrically noisey which affects our ecgs if attached to the patient. There is no earthing in them if anyone has not had one apart.
The clamps, dont know how many have nursing tape keeping the together on the wards.

Posted By: RoJo Re: Braun Infusomat Space - 29/03/11 12:36 PM
Only a couple of broken clamps. We have apttached the powersupplies to the clamps so have had no losses (It does mean you cannot stack the pumps but it is rare to have multiple pumps on a general ward and we have the Space Stations in the intensive areas)
On the power supply ther are some broken earth pins and the odd failed power supply. but nothing out of the ordinary for a heavily used and transported piece of kit.
You do seem to have had a bad time of it compared to us.
We have had hundreds of the syringe pumps for over a year and a few 10s of IV pumps for a couple of years and found no obvious generic faults.
You must have a really bad batch or rough users.
RoJo
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