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Answer:- No. As we have seen elsewhere, the "powers that be" will keep a lid on it all, and pretend that all is well (when every decent person knows otherwise ... and has known, for many years). No doubt "lessons shall be learned"!

What we need is strong leadership. But unfortunately I don't see much of that in evidence.

I agree with what you are saying there, Barney. But I would add that what we are seeing is to be expected when Third World "standards" are forced upon a First World country (if you can bear such terminology).

Meanwhile, has anyone heard from the Archbishop?

"Material wealth will never satisfy an empty soul".

Geoff,

Are you talking of the unrest in UK? well well i thought these things happen in Africa and other developing world, indeed leaders have to analyze the whole situation if its poverty then it should be addressed.

Not much poverty there as they were all iphoning each other. Little scroats needing taught to respect where they live. I personnaly would have envoked the looter laws and shot them. (Less paperwork). Also didnt see many riot rounds fired or heads of rioters cracked, must be just saved for NI.

I think they should all be dressed in orange jump suits and sent out to clear up the areas they destroyed. Less tolerance of scum is needed in this country.

I am also remain a little disappointed that "emergency powers" have yet to be invoked.

You know, a curfew in "certain areas" and looters and arsonists to be shot dead on sight.

Meanwhile, the so-called "gang culture" needs to be dealt with (as in, eliminated). It's already been going on for far too long.

We already know what needs to be done, so why do we need Bill Bratton?

We need to be creating work for those who want it (and those who don't). How about starting off with building some more prisons, and (if you like) "boot camps"?

On the other hand, our young need decent role models. The likes of Rooney, Cole et al just don't cut the mustard, I'm afraid. Once again, real leadership is sadly lacking.

And (like all of us) they also need to feel that they have a stake in the future. A decent future, for everyone.

Billy for PM, says I!

Why does the UK not use water canon more often?
If this was in Europe they would be out with them straight away. And the thought of getting their Blackberries and iPhones wet would soon send them running.
RoJo

Yes ... with marker dye!

I'm sure we all noticed that "rain stopped play" the other night.

Oh to have that lot on an army training area for a few days and nights!

In fact, thinking about it, let's be having their so-called parents along for a good beasting as well!

Roman, my friend, what you may not be aware of is that in the UK (largely due to the decimation of an industrial base that in many respects led the world in days gone by) there are now families (clans?) where three and possibly four generations have never worked for a living, but instead have lived well off the State (to which they feel no loyalty).

Getting drunk (or stoned) and breeding is about all they can manage, whilst meanwhile expecting "respect" from the so called "society" that has to suffer them.

If you have any ideas about how that sort of situation can be addressed, feel free to email No.10 Downing Street, as Panem et Circenses seems to have run its course.

Try the link below

http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/petitions/7337

It's grown by (approx) 30K since I signed earlier today.

Barney et al, You mustn’t go around calling these people lowlife scum, or scroats, as that may be deemed defamation of character. They are normal people like us and have rights you know.

It is entirely feasible that they could get legal aid to sue you for libel. They, ‘the lowlife scum’ or ‘scroats’ as you call them, feel that they are not listened to by society at large. They are disadvantaged. Through no fault of their own (none whatsoever) they feel they are denied access to the wealthier parts of society. They complain they are continually monitored/harassed by the Police on their ‘own patch’ (how dare the Police do this) and this is what happens when they get a chance to vent their anger. They have shown what they can do when they are pushed too far – perhaps people will listen to them now. The government must now pour money into these deprived areas so they can get the facilities that they deserve.

Is it not normal human behaviour to desire something that you see around you on a daily basis i.e. a piece of the ‘celebrity culture’ portrayed via TV, film and the media incessantly? Surely it is not the victimised protesters fault. If footballers, pop stars, actors and other famous people who grew up on a council estate can have vast material wealth, why can’t they? They only want a little bit of it. They have aspirations and are in need of a ‘fix’ to fulfil these aspirations. Anything wrong with that? Surely the businesses that have been looted can make up their losses with insurance claims. They are rich enough to afford the insurance.

Shouldn’t society give them jobs, benefits, housing and free social care. Look what happens if it doesn’t. These are their rights you know. The ‘Liberal Left’ (not my choice of phrase) as they have been called has been warning society for decades about the need for improved ‘human rights’ particularly for disadvantaged people. Society hasn’t listened to these profoundly knowledgeable people has it? Is this the price we are now paying for not listening enough to them?

European legislators have clearly dictated to this, and previous governments what direction they must go regarding safeguarding and improving the ‘Human rights’ of subjects of a Constitutional Monarchy, sorry, citizens. We will have to answer to them if we get our response wrong. As long as these poor disadvantaged people are consulted, we can have another Parliamentary Enquiry, Public Enquiry, Report to the European Parliament, (call it what you like), then surely that will help to solve the problem. That, and extra funding, improved human rights, listening to their concerns, better housing, improved social care, increased social security benefits, respect for their views, softer Policing etc, etc to these deprived areas. Not much to ask is it.

Must go now, got to post messages of support to the blackberries/iphones/ipads of the disadvantaged/poor/helpless on twitter and facebook and I have to post my anti Government/Police protest letter to the Guardian and New Statesman.