Thanks John and Geoff,

I am aware that revealing actual budgets may be sensitive so I was trying to get an impression of the size and budget of departments in releation to my own.

The non-pay budget is all of the dept. budget that is not spent on employee's wages.

Using any of your suggested "rough reconners" reveals that we are vastly under funded, but then that wasn't really a supprise.

Lee

Don't forget "we've never had it so good".