Almost correct Geoff. No. They are not managers to us older ones, more like *ankers. The trouble is that when they do move on its usually to a higher position.

If these people were proper managers and have to make financial cuts, they would evaluate the vast numbers of non-jobs in the NHS that do absolutely nothing for patient care.

I would like to think that EBME types actually do make a difference to patient care by making sure that the equipment is in good working order, providing ordering advice and all the rest that a good department provides.