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From what I've read the "pilot" sites are due to start in Spring 2003 with everyone else starting in Oct 2004.

I haven't read anything to say if there are problems then the rest won't follow the pilot sites.

I think there will be problems, there always is where NHS Management is involved, but I see it as being implemented as it goes along with "fine tuning"

In our area Karl, Aintree is one of the pilot sites so I'm sure the good Dr Carnoustie and his staff will keep us informed as to developments.

The assimilation process is due to be "rolled out and finalised" by mid January so I would hope that somewhere in the system they must have us placed now at this late stage.

There are a few "terminologies" in the AfC document (to use the "buzz" term) that I have my doubts over.

I read a few things as being a bit open to interpretation, I always think this means it will be weighted in the employers favour.

Until they quantify terms like "gateways" and what they involve then I'm sorry but dear old paranoid me will still see it as a way of blocking progress to staff or to use it as a barrier between disciplines.

I particularly liked the bit about assimilation onto the new scales ! If your job is evaluated onto a much higher grade than where you are now, you will have to go to an "interim" point and move to the correct grade "gradually" ! So even if you find that you've been substantially underpaid for years, you still wont get any immediate recompense !

Who said this was a good deal anyway ?

This is beginning to sound so like the last time 12 years ago when we changed from MPT's to MTO's. It took us four years, a change of employer and a lot of appeals. To get an acceptable decision.

What's the appeal procedure going to be with the assimilation this time? Or won't there be one. Inquiring minds need to know.

As I have been informed, informally from one of the union reps. Ken has got the wrong end of the stick as regards hols. The change will be to 33 days which will include the Bank holidays loss of 2 days?. Also I believe the working week will be increased to 37 1/2 Hrs. On call payments will cease, and a lump sum will go on salary, this is a fixed sum per department, therefor more people doing on call smaller lump sum.
I have been around in industry etc. for many years and have been screwed by the employer on more than one occassion, and I am not liking these proposals as I see them at present. I believe that over a period of time one should move to an increase in salary with a reduction in working hours, not a large difference but a gradual move over a reasonable period.
Finally I believe that as individuals there will be a choice to sign a new contract or remain with the existing.

Ray, Again informerly.
Ive been told that the on call payments will be linked directly to the individuals contracts and that there are moves afoot from EU to bring in a 35 hour week in 2008.
It looks like we are all being given various stories on a theme. Could this variation on the tale be part of an effort to cause panic amongst the herd so to speak.
If none of us are aware of what the other is getting we may not kick up much of a fuss.
Lets hope we all continue to provide open information to each other and keep the headhunters at bay.

Good link here....but its doh.gov.uk so watch out for spin...............

http://www.doh.gov.uk/agendaforchange/newpaysystemnov02.htm

Ray
Paragraph 31 says that all staff will receive the same leave entitlement depending on length of service. For more than 10 years service you will get 33 days annual leave which includes the 'extra' statutory days or 'extra' public holidays. The important word being 'extra', therefore I understand this to mean 33 days not including the 8 standard public holidays.
The on-call standby payment is similar to the present payments but the document does not specify the rate of pay when you are called out.
At the end of the day I will be suprised if we make anything out of this deal but then - whats'new.

Hot off the press

I've just spoke to the bloke who's wtiting the actual AfC handbook at the moment.

He agrees that the initial release on the web is "confusing"

Straight from the "horse's mouth" you will get 33 days if you've worked>10 years plus 8 days Bank Holidays i.e. New Years Day, Good Friday, Easter Monday, Early May, Late May, August Bank Holiday, Xmas Day and Boxing Day.

The other former NHS staff days or any entitlements you may have come to with your employer will be absorbed into the new leave entitlement.

I'll settle for the extra 5 days I'll get to go from 28 to 33.

Where's me Kiss me Quick hat and blow up donkey

Ken,
If you are right then only the long time serving bretheren will benefit, me, just completing 4 years in this game, won't benefit.


To be honest I am just hanging on for another 18 months to 2 years then take early retirement. Going to move lock stock and barrel to Arizona. Goodbye cold damp winters, hallo warm/hot sunshine every day.
Can't come quick enough.
But in the meantime all must not loose sight that our masters are as cuning as a wagon load of monkeys and will try to put one over us at any oportunity.
The sooner the "profession" can unite into one body / association the better, not only for times such as this, but also to gain some respect from other "profesionals" within the NHS. Always remeber UNITED WE STAND DIVIDED WE FALL

If we all support the Clinical Technologist Register then this will be a step in uniting us as a professional body.