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Looking at the critera I think the MTO 2's and less experienced MTO 3's could be looking at a band 4 whereas Senior MTO 3's and MTO 4's should make band 5. Still quite a drop in wages.

It appears that a lot of people seem resigned to the fact that we will all be stuck onto a pay band where we will be paid considerably less than we are currently earning. I feel that we should not be talking our jobs down, but actively working to promote our position so that, nationally, no one loses out. Let's not sit tight and just accept it but badger our bosses, unions , etc so that this does not occur. Remember, most unions only voted to allow the early implementation to go ahead & that a second ballot for full acceptance is due!

Could be part of the plan.Let people think they will be band 4 so when they get a band 5 we are all happy.

Do MTO4's have a chance of making band 6. If you look at the job statement it seems relevant to most MTO4's that I know.
Presumably we now argue at local level about our banding - sounds like the Hay Job Evaluation has been reinvented.

Do MTO4's have a chance of making band 6?
No chance Ken, have you been drinking? The old MTO system is irrelevant. Your new Afc salary is based on the value of your job.
Ask yourself these questions.
1. Are you the department manager? (i.e budget holder)
2. In addition to the standard medical electronics do you have additional specialist responsibility for anaesthetics, renal dialysis or radiography?

If your answer to the above is NO then you would probably be in band 4 or 5. The best you could hope for is higher level technician, which has a JE score at the bottom of band 5 (approx £18000).
But don’t worry, look at the complete package. It’s not all about the salary!

The Prophet of Doom is probably right to keep so quiet about his/her whereabouts - his/her manager will want to know about all the internet surfing, tea making and packing-off of work he/she's doing. Fair enough, TPOD. The deal may seem OK to you if that's all you do. See how you feel when your P45 turns up.

Here, our department managers are telling us not to worry, that they will work hard to make sure we get a fair deal. We will continue doing the usual jobs, whether they are probe replacements, PPMs or anaesthetic machine repairs. It all counts toward patient care, which is the whole point of hospitals having EBME departments.

And PPMs are not something any old numpty could do - think about what the equipment is doing for patients and it is critical. Dose accuracy on syringe drivers, the sensitivity of ICU/theatre monitoring, the safety of patients and staff - this is all in our hands, and the responsibility is worth a lot. Even on dedicated testers, you need to care about what you do to make a good job of it.

We are professionals - perhaps if we start believing that, and getting the other staff in our hospitals to respect us for it, then maybe we won't have to "fight" for recognition and a decent band on AfC.

"Mid Range MTO3" is right - get onto your Unions, take pride in your job, and act like the professionals you are.

Hey Prophet - we allow a great deal of banter on these pages, but accusing people of drinking is going to get your post(s) deleted.

Yes, I'm sure in was meant as light-hearted, but it would appear there are a great number of people out there who want the amount of 'flippancy' reduced.

Ease up a bit please.

These "Medical Engineering Technicians" profiles, all seem to be based on an electronic technican. Which would "fit" one half of our department, but could put almost all the other anaesthetic technican half on a grade 6!
Being a mushroom-like tech myself and obivously others here, I assume there will be other profiles or divisions under this generic term... Which might prevent a small civil war!

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Did I just see that horse speak?

I can't seem to find any reference to Clinical Diagnostic Imaging (including X-ray) or Radiotherapy as a specialism in the job-profiles - despite many electronic engineers being employed in this field. Surely these are specialist skills and job roles that are currently performed by engineering technicians? Or is it that those electronics qualified Engineering Technicians, probably working in Medical Physics (most diagnostic imaging and therapeutic radiation service engineers do, I suppose) will have a different profiles as "Technologists" perhaps? What I'm getting at is whether we will see "Technologists" working in Medical Physics and "Engineering Technicians" working in EBME departments? With gradings commensurate, of course....

Blockheaded, brainless, dense, dim-witted, doltish, dopey, dull, dumb, ignorant, insensitive, moronic, numskulled simpleton. Yes I speak of you Mr. Doom. If you had dynamite for brains my friend, I bet you wouldn’t have enough to blow your bloody nose.

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