Home Articles Downloads Forum Products Services EBME Expo Contact
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 1 of 11 1 2 3 10 11
#16540 10/09/04 9:16 AM
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 200
Master
OP Offline
Master
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 200
I had a conversation yesterday with my Principal Technician that went something like this,

PT Have you done anything about getting registered yet ?

ME No I don't want to register.

PT If you don't register you won't be able to pass through the final gateway of the new Afc banding

ME eh ?

What is the point of having to be registered to take a pay cut so that I can eventually get back to what they used to pay me ?

Can anyone throw any light on the subject of registration and the passing of gateways ?

Always remember we have the power to vote NO to AfC.

boggle boggle boggle confused mad


Assimilated at last...
#16541 10/09/04 9:35 AM
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 200
Master
OP Offline
Master
Joined: Feb 2001
Posts: 200
Any one know what will happen to me if choose not to register ?


Assimilated at last...
#16542 10/09/04 11:15 AM
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 78
Adept
Offline
Adept
Joined: Mar 2003
Posts: 78
It seems to me that the "Voluntary" register is being controlled by a bunch of biggoted and elitist individuals who seem to either not know or appreciate what other industries do. I am only now just eligible to join - despite the fact that I completed a much valued apprenticeship and I've over 13 years experince in the avionics industry, enough to get me employed as an MTO3**. However, someone taken straight from school who's worked a an EBME department doing various jobs (ie cleaning nebulisers, safety testing etc) possibly at a lower grade for 4 years is eligible.
I'm not against registration in principle, but the bods at the top have got to come down off their high horses.
Also, if our employers want us registered - get them to foot the bill and do the paperwork!!!!

#16543 10/09/04 12:34 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 136
Expert
Offline
Expert
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 136
I was not aware that being registered or not had anything to do with AfC and, the ability to pass through the gateways of the new pay structure will be dependent upon achieving the required standard and level described under the Knowledge and Skills Framework.

As far as I know, the only thing that being registered with the VRCT MAY offer is an easier transition to the HPC register when it happens. The only down side to not registering is that this MAY make it harder to register with HPC. Oh and saving on the current VRCT fees of course.

Eagle, just because you may have a wealth of knowledge and experience in other areas doesn't mean that you have experience as a clinical technologist - which is what the VRCT requires.

#16544 10/09/04 12:35 PM
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 44
Technologist
Offline
Technologist
Joined: Nov 2003
Posts: 44
Eagle, You should never bite off the hand that one day might feed you.

#16545 11/09/04 10:34 AM
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Eagle,

From the 'predicament' you describe, I can only assume that a proportion of your much valued apprenticeship and experience may have been considered somewhat irrelevant for inclusion on the Voluntary register and that you did not meet the experience criterion. If, as you say, you just meet the criterion then what is the problem? Just join and forget about it. You've obtained a decent grade even if you now 'only just meet the criterion' - I know a lot of well qualified, experienced technicians that are on MTO3 grades with many years service, actually in the NHS, and good qualifications.

It is so easy to come, well qualified, from a well established industry into a newly developing profession and then complain about it being a bit 'mickey-mouse' or a bit of 'a club'. If you were to look at the history and development of the aviation industry you would probably see that it too was elitist in it's selection of professionals at the early stages and continues to be so. Now it is throwing these professionals on the scrap-heap because demand has dropped-off. Perhaps EBME has taken a few on in the past?

If there wasn't such a skill shortage,nationally, I doubt that without relevant experience - I mean hands on medical equipment servicing in the clinical environment, not just repairing electronic instrumentation for example, that you would have even been shortlisted for your current job-role. The Whitley rules have always stated certain qualifications and experience for your grade and one should expect the new system of grading and other initiatives such as registration to set appropriate minimum standards. Some managers have tended to let these 'minimum standards' slip and been prepared to take a risk/train new starters with qualifications but no relevant experience.

The only way forward, if state registration comes along, is to become registered if you want to make a go of it in this 'career' you've chosen; even if it is 'elitist' and you're bothered that you're no longer in that 'elite'. Not sit there harping-on about an apprenticeship or experience whose training and skills, beyond basic engineering/engineering are bound to be irrelevent to EBME services i.e. you're probably never going to use much of what you learned or used previously.

With quite a few years in this job, the formal NHS Medical Physics Technician training, various higher qualifications, a wide range of experience, etc, I couldn't expect to walk into an office at BAE Systems and insist on the 'generic working grade job', perhaps working as a technician on avionics test, insist on better than the 'going-rate' salary, professional membership of whatever institute, etc, etc, based on my EBME experience, without being laughed out of the place. Not without having to put a few years in and learn new skills. Why should it work the other way around?

If I did have to change my career I expect that I'd have to eat a bit of humble pie, start at the bottom again, and try to work my way through the system by playing it to my advantage if I could. I see it as jumping through hoops - I don't like it and I'm not good at it but we all have to do it at some time.

Quote:
I'm not against registration in principle, but the bods at the top have got to come down off their high horses.
So have some of the lesser experinced biomeds - that's 'the pot calling the kettle black' that is!

#16546 11/09/04 12:28 PM
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 34
Visionary
Offline
Visionary
Joined: Jul 2001
Posts: 34
Well done Mr.R J Ling.
I think that says it all. shades

#16547 12/09/04 1:18 PM
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Thanks for the feedback Doogie (I hope my views are not too far off the mark i.e. generally considered unfair or a malicious personal attack). I've come across a few individuals from the Nuclear Industry, Aviation and some parts of the Military, without biomed experience, who seem to have the opinion they can just walk into the job and undermine those who've been slogging away at it for years. Perhaps it's something to do with the rigorous training, professional approach, working in high-risk environments and the regimes they've worked in breeding a superior attitude.

#16548 12/09/04 2:23 PM
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14,798
Likes: 71
Super Hero
Offline
Super Hero
Joined: Feb 2004
Posts: 14,798
Likes: 71
I don't know why you hang back, Richard. Why not just tell it like it is! smilewink


If you don't inspect ... don't expect.
#16549 13/09/04 7:16 AM
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 208
Ken Offline
Master
Offline
Master
Joined: Mar 2001
Posts: 208
VRCT has nothing whatsoever to do with AfC grading.
I look upon the registration as a way of stating that we work as a professional body carying out work that if not done correctly can cause harm (or worse) to patients.
To work in this situation surely requires regulation of some kind just as it does to nurses and other professional NHS staff.

Page 1 of 11 1 2 3 10 11

Moderated by  DaveC in Oz, RoJo 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Who's Online Now
2 members (daisizhou, Neil Porter), 6,589 guests, and 33 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
Chris 11, j9_PLC, nece, Vitya, Shenzhen007
10,358 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics11,248
Posts74,481
Members10,358
Most Online53,260
11:59 PM
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5