EBME Forums Forums Management Professional Issues Agenda For Change Transitional points problem!!

It's the "carrot and the stick", Dicky. It was ever thus, and I think that's how we can expect it so to remain!

Chris, what about if all NHS hiring (and firing ... and training, and all the rest) was done centrally, as is done, for instance by the Armed Forces? Was is it called the National Health Service, by the way?

I am glad I kept my JD realistic and honest.

Anyway, I don't think we are going the right way to help out or hinder the chap mentioned at the origin of the thread.

As John Stewart pointed out it is the job that is banded not the person.In the case in point it is difficult to make any judgement without a few more facts ie what band are we talking about,what was our chaps salary before banding etc. Hence my original comment about hearing from the man himself.On assimilation on to a band the salary point should be the next highest point on the band, if assimilated onto the transitional points it implies a large difference between actual salary and the band bottom point.

Not wishing to lose the new guy the wages he has been promised, but.. There is a section of AFC that allows "trainees" to be paid at a lower level until they are deemed to be qualified. Under Annexe U a trainee can be paid a pecentage of the top of the working grade starting at 65% rising to 85%. When they are deemed to be competent they go to the bottom of the working grade. Perhaps this is how the management should have dealt with the situation. Unfortunately it's too late to change things now that the the new guy is in post.

While the transition to agenda for change is still underway (i.e. transition points are still in use) it would certainly overcome this problem but I haven't heard of any Trust using it for a ebme department. Annex U also states that someone training for less than 12 months would not pass the first gateway. I'm sure the new guy wouldn't like it but isn't it possible that he could remain at the first gateway whilest training and the existing guy leap frog him?

Geoff if all NHS hiring was done centrally it would certainly improve things, at the moment it seems to be more like a national consortium of Trusts all acting like individual companies, than a National Health Service and the outcome of how AFC is implemented changes between Trust. (Then again even patient treatment is different between Trusts)

Although I do think we need more information before we can draw any conclusions from SLR's post, like which bands are the people on and what band did the existing guy want to be rebanded to?