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Never mind the band 6 7 and higher. What I am trying to bring out is the Band 4 working on specialist equipment. Even at band 5 they should have their work checked as they are not a high enough grade to supervise themselves. (Not that most band 5s can do the job standing on their heads but thats the rules). If band 5 nurses arent allowed to supervise and we have all this equal pay, equal job stuff going on why are we any different.

It just appears that certain people within certain trusts are just out to say look how much I have saved to their superiors. (I cant write what I am actually thinking for possible legal reasons)

Back on to the band 6,7 and 8 that is raging above. It doesnt matter how much of a job you do you have to go back to board if your job has changed since you were awarded your banding. Your human resources should have all the details (Again I cant write what I am thinking).

Billy

Don't take it too hard. We are all willing parties. If it doesn't fit into our expectation, the next best thing is to move on. We will be more happy in this way. As you and Andy have stated, the goal post get moved from time to time.

Cheers!

Hey Billy, if I were to write what I was actually thinking when I respond to most of the posts on this forum, the Thought Police squad car would be around here in three minutes flat, and you'd never hear from me again (blessed relief as that would undoubtedly be for many)!

Yeah, right on, Roger. As I've doubtless said before:-

"There is no way to happiness. Happiness is the way"!

Roger .
Like Andy I/we have to hold a lot back. I agree with your comments "You can always move on" The problem with that is you waste an awful lot of good people who get trained and then move on .Which is not really good to the NHS. Better to recruit. Train and keep them as happy as possible!
After all, the only real asset the NHS has is good people!

Pete

I wholeheartedly agreed that people (good, honest, talented, etc)are real asset to an organisation(s) but we have to accept that this may not what all bosses think.

Were hospitals in the UK better when they were run by medical people, rather than today's "bean counters" (for want of a better phrase)? Please discuss (but in an objective manner).

Surely the bottom line must be:- do the patients get a raw deal, or do things get better for them (in general) year on year? On balance, I think I would have to say "yes, they do improve"!

Like it or not, the NHS (with its limited resources) is there to serve the sick and the needy, not to provide comfortable tenure for its workers!

Regarding "moving on" ... I have seen little evidence of this (quite the opposite, in fact). So things can't be all that bad, can they?

Medical people, I presume you are referring to Doctors. My views are it is definitely much better with respect to patient-care as compared to the so called "Administrator" type (non-doctors). With their training, doctors generally are more passionate towards patient well-being which is why they not so inclined to the bottomline. Many doctors are not suited in the business world where they are competitive in nature.

I believed there must be a balance between generating enough revenue for the organization and patient-care so as to ensure that it remains a sustainable healthcare institution. Both Staff and Patients co-exist to make the system workable.

Returning now to the original point being made by "Angry from Carlisle" (regarding a post within the Health Service being, shall be say, under sold) ... well, let's see if that advert gets any takers, Billy!

Depends what you define as better .From a year on year point of view or was it better this time than last time? People can play with figures all they like .I would agree that a lot of things have got better, but some have got worse. We have /had a military hospital close to us and from an infection control point of view, things were much better .Could Military discipline be the answer there? If patients had real choice and could really go elsewhere .would they choose the NHS? Instead of just counting numbers, look at customer/patient satisfaction for you so called league tables.
As for things not being that bad …Totally agree I joined the NHS because I wanted to work more normal hours and do no more international travel and I needed to top up my pension (Private one went bust) For that I get less money and no car etc. ut then you can’t have it all. .As I said in a previous mail quite a few just slow down to the minimum level of work, refuse to take on no more and probably don’t have a bad life .The result is very low output, low morale and quite often a don’t care attitude .That only breeds more bad attitude .Hardly the type of atmosphere you want to bring new recruits into, and we do need new blood (Not literally). Having worked in Industry for most of my life and only 7 years in the NHS it just amazes me to see how much management don’t give a toss about anybody below them. There is more to life and work than money and for a little bit of effort just imagine how good the system could be? Yes we are here to serve patients and to improve standards and care for them .We can do our job much more easily and effectively if we have responsive and open management that command respect instead of just pandering to each other and empire building. (Off I go again) Forget the massive institution argument its individuals that need to get better then the whole system will!
Just a point of view!

Yes, discipline always helps ... in any organization. As does leadership!