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I concur! As my fans (?) will no doubt recall, I have often said that all this BS, ISO et al stuff is nothing more than what well-organized technicians have been doing anyway for years (as in, many, many).

Frankly, I don't need some (young, smart) Baboon to tick the boxes for me, and then give me a pat on the back (or a boot up the butt ... whichever is more appropriate). After all, what do they know about biomed?

People have made careers out of accreditation, and I challenge anyone to show us where such an astonishing improvement has been made (as a result of going through the process) that taxpayers' money (and the biomeds' time) can be said to have been well spent! smile


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Frankly, I don't need some (young, smart) Baboon to tick the boxes for me

Have you seen any smart baboons lately?

Life would be very easy if every engineer had the same idea of what is a quality job. If you were doing a job for me - how do I know you are a reputable outfit and not a cowboy?

What is a good job? - is it what I think is a quality job?

Could you prove to the world your high standards?

Unfortunately standards and auditing trails cost money and in this day and age you need something to distinguish yourself from the cowboys.

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Yes, I see young smart Baboons on an almost daily basis. You can spot them too, if you look (they're usually to be found ticking boxes). I also come across a fair number of Jobsworths too.

By definition, a quality job is one that meets in full the expectations of the customer. It's as simple as that.

Sometimes those expectations (often based on the disappointments of the past) are not particularly high. And some customers can't afford "state of the art". It's easy, however, to insist upon every piece of paper when the taxpayer is footing the bill. Those bits of paper actually prove nothing. All they do is add to the cost of the job.

If I did a job for you, and you were not happy with the result, then you wouldn't pay me. That's how the real world works.

Life is already easy when you associate with real engineers. To them, a quality job is simply a job well done.

If the world is that much interested in my "high standards" (and I very much doubt that it gives a damn), then all it (they) needs to do is inspect the work. And how many times does that happen (eg, in the NHS)?

And by definition, auditing trails occur after the event.

I rest my case. smile


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O.K let us look at a scenario

Incident during a proceedure in Theatre gets traced to HSDU concerning a sterilization issue and a fault on a particular machine.

Tracing back through records it apeears the unit was tested by EBME and found that all results were correct at the time of testing.

After further investigation the chart recorder is found to be innacurate and it has come to light that it was calibrated "in house"

What standards was it calibrated to .... i.e what instruments were used to calibrate it and how do you know they are accurate?

What are you going to tell the Judge before he throws the key away?



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After enquiring as to how come Baboons were allowed into a Court of Law ... I would probably tell him that I looked forward to getting three square meals a day, my basketball games, and my sessions in the woodworking shop. smile


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Only as long as they let you keep your multimeter hey Geoff!

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Don't quite understand the direction this thread is heading. Thanks Geoff for 'resting your case' on your opinions (calibration checking, ISO, baboons, jobsworths, audit trails et al) on another persons post.

I refer to my original question - Anybody else been caught out like this?

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I have been caught out once, a bambi compressor back from certification was damaged - when i contacted the courier the answer i recieved was "it was signed for and as far as we are concered it was ok" - rest assured we dont sign for anything now until it is checked!

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Not sure how much insurance is covered during each shipment or air transportation. Why isn't the full amount be covered? I guess it will be too cost for such an arrangement.


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I see NHS trucks zooming up and down the motorways of England.

How come our National Health Service (which is, in case y'all hadn't noticed, a "big firm") doesn't have its own transportation service? Just a thought ... smile


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