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Thinking about it further if you add recruitment and retention to the mix Annex U could be used by a trust to pay anything between £15,674 and £20,225 (mistake in previous figures, that's if you use Annex U on band 4 not 5)

To put this band into perspective we have apprentices straight out of training put on the lower run (training supervision) of band 6 due to the terms Highly specialist equipment and also as already pointed out freedom to act. How can anyone of a band 4 leagaly sign off on the job.

In the words of James May (this is c*ck).

Dont sell yourself short or they will forever take the Pi*s.

Billy

Just another point that may be of interest is that we have a small number of HCAs here on Band 4.

Doesnt quite equate or in the words of spock 'it is not logical captain'.

Well you obviously haven't seen what coding get's banded to then. Apparently it's the most boring job in the NHS, one post at the Oxford Radcliffe Hospital actually lists a sense of humour as one of the requirements! Although all you basically need to do it is a handfull of GCSE's and that matches to band 5! Usually coding matches to band 4 so how does someone compare a ebme job and claim the jobs are equal. Perhaps Karl might want to explain how?

I did four years under annex U (backdated), am currently on a four and am doing on call. If what your saying is true, I need to shop about a bit more...

And further more...

You are in the south, we are in the grim north of england. Were a band behind you lot as you live in an nice expensive part of the world and we are in the socially deprived north. Anything north of Watford gap and....

Don't forget were all flat caps and whippets up here!

I assume that you're joking, there, Alan (what's wrong with Chesterfield)? And since when has the south of England been "nice" (but you're right about the "expensive" bit)? I was down there (the south-west, in actual fact) all last week, and was glad to return yesterday to South Yorkshire! As we have discussed before, it's all a matter of perception ("the grass is always greener", etc.)!

Sorry about that I was having one of those Tory "Think-Tank" moments!

Yes, Mate ... I thought as much. The "north" (someone please define) may be economically deprived in certain areas (but I would challenge that, too, by saying that I see both dereliction and rejuvenation wherever I roam in England), but I wouldn't say that it is any more socially deprived than anywhere else in the Kingdom.

As for that report that you make mention of ... well, I only hope that it wasn't funded by us taxpayers. Anyone with half a brain should be able to see that England's inherent regional diversity is a great asset ... a strength, rather than a weakness. Dare I whisper the word ... Baboons!

As I've mentioned before, if anyone thinks they can do better working "over the border" within the M25 (for example), let them give it a try. But let me tell you, the North Circular (road) is not only a long way from the Peak District ... it's in another "country" altogether!

OMG! Usually the excuse for giving someone a lower band is that they don't have the required experience or qualifications asked for. Trusts don't usually implement Annex U (yours is probably the first I've heard of) but instead just put people on a lower band instead. Doing both is really mean and actually makes the Liverpool job look good! If that's right Chesterfield probably wins the most meanest trust around award!