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Does anyone have any information with regard to replacement batteries for the GE mobile Xray machines .The current battreies are Genasis which are now "Panasonic" The model quoted is the Panasonic LC-XB12228AP .Euro energy can supply the LC-X1228AP .I can see very little difference between these two batteries from the spec sheets ,a little difference in the rated max charging current? .Except the price !!!! GE charge £377 for the battery from them and Euroenergy chare £44 for basically the same battery ? I know all about the cost's of storing , audit and supply costs etc for companies like GE .Having worked in industry for many years i also am well aware of the profits made from spares .
At the moment i require one battery , but soon will require several sets and 9 in a set .
In the USA it appears that quite a few companies make direct replacement batteries for this equipment .Fewer suppliers in the UK!

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What's your problem, Pete (you already know what to do)? It's yet another gouge, pure and simple. frown

It may also be worth taking a look at Yuasa. Hopefully one of those may fit the bill.


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I use this lot - never had a problem.

DW - Still on the daftside

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Any Tels types where you are, Darth? Take a look at this. smile


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Geoff - that website is just wrong! The last Tels tech has left the building but i will be getting another next June.

DW - EMERS, those were the days.

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Hello all.
Amx 4 and other such mobiles are old friends of mine...
Some points to note.
The battery in any mobile x ray is highly stressed in both discharge and recharge modes this is very true in AMX 4 it also has some special anomalies in the battery department which make them even more stressed.
Changing of odd single batts in a set more than 18 months old in my experience is a folly....and will show in some very odd ways mostly intermittent charge errors and generator errors.
The UL and CE conformity and hence overall electrical safety of the AMX is only maintained if the OEM battery is used.
Thus breaking any iso or quality regime the servicer of the unit may have to follow if non oem parts are used.
To put it another way if it catches fire due to the battery pack melting because the non oem parts cant take the charge profile whilst stacked sideways ;-), or the set starts to give of intermittent generator errors during exposure because of high internal resistances of the non specially selected oem batteries ..thus needing it to be recalibrated every two weeks as the individual batts resist more and more then the cheap non oem parts may seem not so cheap after all.
Radiation has a tendency to harm if not treated properly; the need for repeated exposures due to equipment errors is a health and safety failure.
X ray system maintenance should be carried out by specialists with specialist OEM training documentation and specialist test equipment, my experience is that most ebme departments dealing with general medical electronics don’t have it.

just my 2p's worth broadbean.....

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Thanks for those words of wisdom, Mr.Bean ... and welcome to the forum. You wouldn't mind giving us a clue as to which type of organisation you work for, I suppose?

So, the way forward seems to be clear. Let's go back to using GEC MX-4's. No problems of the type you mention there (if my memory serves me well). smile


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Thanks for the input and all noted .I also agree with a number of your comments A for test and calibration equipment ,we have all the correct equipment as i normall maintain all of our Radio therapy equipment Linear Accelerators ect .I have just today diagnosed and replaced an X ray tube on an AMX 4...Not a very common problen so i hear?
We have 4 Amx's in this hospital and 8 at another site .We will be moving to the new site next year and at the moment i amnot sure how many units we will keep , so i don't want to spen mega bucks on GE batteries if we are going to scrap the units anyway!

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Sorry for the quick exit on my last mail .I keep hitting the Tab key ...old habit with MS WORD! This sends the uncomplete mail !!!!!
Anyway as i was saying .I agree with some of you comments but looking at various site in the US and talking with the GE engineer I am not the first person to address this issue . I am talking about replacing the battery with recommended type which is in all sense the same battery ?
GE will always say to use their battery as they make loads of money out of it .
We use a lot of Euro energy bateries in this dept for all sorts of medical equipment!
As long as the battery is the same detailed spec then i can't really see a problem?
But thanks for the input anyway.

Cheers and kind regards
Pete.

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Just a comment on Broadbean's post. You are allowed to modify equipment without invalidating its CE mark. CE marking is to do with selling things not their current condition. If it is not "brought to the market" it does not need a CE mark revalidation.
In the regulations it specifically says you may modify equipment for internal use by your organisation. That is why people in universities linked to hospitals sometimes have honary contracts at the hospital, so they can work on equipment belonging to the organisation they "work for".
Robert


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