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Interesting letter you've received from Baxter, Graham bearing in mind your posting of the 13th December.

What were thet using the IDA for when one of your compatriots spotted it?

Were they evaluating it? Oops no they said it hadn't been evaluated in the UK had it rolleyes rolleyes

What have the suppliers of the IDA got to say for themselves?

We use and like the IDA, not perfect but it does the job.

Maybe all these other suppliers of infusing devices need to check their products. After all if we don't seem to have any other problems with accuracy with their products on a piece of test equipment that is obviously "flawed", then we should all convert, poste haste, to this wonderfully reliable product from Baxter. laugh


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THE LETTER DOES STATE THAT ULTRAMEDICS AGREED TO PURCHASE BACK ONE OF THE IDA TESTERS SOLD TO BAXTER.
WE ARE STILL USING THE IDA4 AND ALL THE TECHNICIANS LIKE USING IT. BUT WE WILL BE SETTING A WEIGHING SYSTEM TO CHECK THE ACCURACY OF THE COLLEAGUE PUMP IF THE IDA DOES SHOW A ERROR ABOVE THE +/-5%

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Just thought I'd get my oar in on this one... I don't believe for one minute that our test proceedures are at fault when testing the flow delivery on the Colleague, I believe that they have a wear issue on the shuttle mech which leads to a more negative delivery, this wear happens over a relatively short space of time, the ones I've tested on our Avery system show this only after 2 years reasonable use.
Ask Baxter why they have recently revised the geometery of the Colleagues giving set!. (to give a more +ve flow)
I have been carrying out some tests on these pumps and have found that (so far) the delivery becomes increasingly worse under back pressure!, which is a little worrying as this is how you'd normally expect them to operate. Some of the pumps tested would pass the flow test with no back pressure (typically returning errors of -3%) but as soon as even a modest back pressure was applied (25mmhg) this was enough to push them over -5% and therefore fail...
I've got a lot more research to do but if you've experienced these problems let me know.
PS. You can also more than quadruple the occlusion level just by repeatedly running, unloading & reloading an occluded set. (The pressure gets trapped by the occluded end & the anti free-flow clip, on reload the pump zeros its pressure system on the line).
I can safely say I have no love of the Colleague!!!.


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I think this is where I have to stick my wand in again, and add a few more points with respect to the Baxter letter slating the IDA4+ as being none evaluated in any country in the world. frown

Well, has Ultramedic been made aware of this scurrilous statement? We have checked with Ultramedic, and it seems that the FDA in the U.S. A has passed it, also it is a C.E. marked device, although, before someone howls me down, not to 93/42/EEC [MDD].

What on earth do Baxter want, not the primitive methodology they recommend – weigh a flask – start a stop watch -pump fluid into it – subtract one value from the ------------ what total c…! They missed out rubbing ones head in a circular anticlockwise direction whilst jumping up and down on toadstool! laugh

Let us at least move into a more technological age. The IDA4+ is excellent if used properly and can check upto four pumps at once.

With computers and modern Avery [or otherwise] scales a very user friendly, accurate, and none time consuming method of IV Pump Rate evaluation can be carried out. And more to the point easily saved electronically along with the Equipment Service Record on any good Data Management System. Wake up Baxter – get your act together! mad

Regarding Colleague accuracy and PHM problems, last year it was found here at Whiston that the Colleague pumps which we had, were exhibiting signs of PHM wear, our worst case Rate inaccuracy was some –17%, with the average inaccuracy around a minus 7 – 10%.

All the inaccuracies of the PHM's were first identified on our IDA4+ tester, but to prove to ourselves and knowing Baxter's old war cry; we developed a computerised gravimetric test system. This system proved to us that the IDA4+ was as accurate as any gravimetric method.

Having identified a problem we then worked with Baxter's Mr Paul Cable, European Marketing Manager to have the problem resolved, all out of tolerance PHM's were replaced by Baxter Service Centre or myself.

Mr Cable advised us that, after exhaustive tests around the world within the Baxter organisation it was, he said, found that the manufacturing tolerance in the specification for the standard giving set was at or near the bottom end. Having identified this they made some trial sets for us that were manufactured more on the positive side of the specification.

These did in fact prove to be much better, although it made our "spot-on' 6200 pumps err on the positive error side for the first time in their lives! frown

Having proved [to Baxter, that is] that this alleviated the under-infusion problem, the new spec' giving sets then went into full production in Malta and every one should now be using them.

I tend however to go along with some of the afor mentioned statements regarding the PHM's, and also express my concern for the future accuracy, as wear is again appearing to be affecting the rate accuracy of some of our pumps. Every time a Colleague comes in we give it a full specification PPM check, which is well documented on that pump's service history, with a trend again showing a declining accuracy. rolleyes

Going by some of the comments it appears that all users should keep a very close eye on these, and I have now, thanks to Ali G. more checks to make.

Disclaimer: Any reference to any Colleague, in tolerance or not, is purely coincidental, all views expressed are personal! wink

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Ian,
I'm glad I'm not the only one who's having problems, thought I was going mad for a while. eek
According to Baxter, you'd never know they had any problems!, and that's my opinion!.
Thanks.... laugh


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Ali,

Your right, according to Baxter, we along with one other had complained about the inaccuracies in the PHM's. frown

I have spoken to most lab's in the Mersey Region, some remarks are unprintable and possibly slanderous, they wont therefore be given, I leave it to the imagination. eek

Some lab's procedures leave me to worry a little about the diferences in servicing procedures around the country. rolleyes

A quick cost analysis done on future PHM replacements on our 40 odd Colleagues, leads us to assume that there will be an on-cost of some £13,600 every two years! A nice little earner for Baxter worldwide! mad

Ian.

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Does make one wonder how many take the various companies word at face value, does it not?.
Maybe we've become too trusting?, not I.... I'm a natural born sceptic!!! wink


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It is possibly a good time to give some previously unavailable information regarding the on going rhetoric regarding the Baxter Colleague Pump's inaccuracy or otherwise.

Baxter recommends their oft-disputed gravimetric test method, on which others and I have already debated. Our recent testing of some 40 plus Colleagues, with infusion rate accuracy errors, were identified using the Bio-Tec IDA4 plus.

To ensure that the accuracy of these tests would be indisputable, we developed our own PC based gravimetric test unit for volumetric infusion devices. Results unsurprisingly mirrored those found by the IDA4 plus. Visits by representatives of Baxter Service U.K. did not disagree with our findings and the faulty PHM's, where identified, were replaced either them or by myself.

Now to come to the reason for my posting; on 30 January 2003 Graham, member # 548, said he had that day received a letter from Baxter regarding the testing of the Colleague Pump. The information given was that there were limitations to the IDA4 plus, due to the Colleague's Shuttle Motor technology, and that tests should be done using balance scales to a certain specification.

The letter also stated that the IDA had not been evaluated in the UK or any other country and should only be used as a guide.

I wish to advise those of you who might have reservations of the suitability of the IDA4+, that this statement by Baxter is somewhat disingenuous, as the following will I hope show.

In the USA the FDA inspected the IDA4+ and gave it a 510(k) listing number; # K97609. This is not issued lightly as;

510(k) Number K973609

Device Name: IDA-4, Infusion Device Analyser

Indications For Use;

This IDA-4 is designed to be used by manufacturers, BioMedical engineering departments in Hospital and third party service organisations to verify the accurate performance of infusion devices. It is not intended to be used as an infusion device calibrator. A wide range of infusion devices can be analysed including: drop counting, peristaltic, and volumetric types. Steady and non-steady flow rate pumps can be analysed. The device is designed to operate using water or saline only. It incorporates an RS232 serial port for computer control/data output and a Centronics type parallel printer port.

Specifications;
One to four test channels each with independent operation.
Average Flow Rate;
Range: 0.5 to 1000 ml/hr
Accuracy; + /- 1% of reading +/- 1 Least Significant Digit (LSD) for rates of 50 – 100 mL/hr
for delivery volumes over 20 mL. Otherwise +/- 2% of reading +/- 1 LSD after delivery of
5 mL. Specifications are with water at 15 to 25C.
Instantaneous flow rate is read from a device display graph or PC screen.
Delivered Volume:
Range 0 – 9999 mL
Accuracy: +/- 1% of reading +/- 1 Least Significant Digit (LSD) for rates of 50 – 100 mL/hr
for delivery volumes over 20 mL. Otherwise +/- 2% of reading +/- 1 LSD after delivery of
5 mL. Specifications are with water at 15 to 25C.
Flow and Accuracy Under Back Pressure:
Same accuracies as those listed above.
Range – 100 mmHg to + 300 mmHg.

This is signed at the bottom, “ Concurrence of CDRH, Office of Device Evaluation (ODE)”

510(k) Number K973609
For “ Over The Counter Use”
In reality the IDA4+ has been sold, and works, world wide on an extensive range and variety of manufacturer's infusion devices with no problems identified, is the Baxter Colleague therefore unique with its purported problems? Baxter in Ireland is believed to have IDA's and experiencing no difficulties.

It is believed that Ultramedic, an ISO 9000 Registered company for many years, is the UK manufacturer for the IDA range, who did their own tests with a Colleague Pump with results as follows:

A Calibrated 50mL burette was connected at a suitable height to a Colleague Pump, set at a Rate of 100 mL/hr; with Volume set to 20 mL. The output of this pump was fed into the IDA4+, on completion the Colleague said 20 mL, the burette however had delivered only 18.3mL and the IDA4 said 18.2mL. smile

I leave it to you my friends to make your own conclusions. But we are very supportive of the IDA and all manufacturers' devices checked with it cause us no concerns. It is also interesting to note that Bio-Tek is now part of the Fluke BioMedical Group and as such will be marketed under their name. Who among you has problems with FLUKE devices? laugh

In closing it is to be noted that the FDA visited Ultramedic to evaluate them, the answer my friends is in the 510(k).

I rest my case! As usual all views expressed are personal. smile

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One thing I can't understand through all of this is if the Colleague is so bad, why do people buy them.

If I'd been into "Woolies" and bought something that was obviously "crap". After due process of "giving them a chance" to put it right I'd be asking for my money back.

Isn't/shouldn't this be the case here?

Why should people keep picking up the tab for trying to put right Baxter's faulty product.

Ask for your money back and go and buy something else instead.


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Very simple my dear Dave,
They are sold on the very basis that they have very cheap giving sets compared to that say of an Ivac/Alaris... And when our advice over build, construction and suitability are ignored, what can one do?


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