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Hi
Just had our job descriptions and found out that we have been screwed we have been banded the following
(x4) MTO II - Band 4 (with 4 Years or more)
(x3) MTO III - Band 5 (with 10 years or more)
Can anyone advise us whether this is right cause i thought that band 4 was an entry level (apprentice)for medical engineers.
Can anyone offer us advice with regards to what points to include to help us increase our band score in our appeal.

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Gavin, our MTO3*** came out as 5 originally.
MTO4*** (section managers) as six.
We managed to increase both by a whole grade following JAQ etc.
Send me your email address I will forward some info, Im not prepared to put it on here.
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Gavin all our MTO2s came out band 5 I can send you JD if required.


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Gavin,

MTO3s at band 6 and MTO2 at band 5. email me if you want JDs and specs.

All achieved without appeal.

Brian


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Hi guys,
Thanks for the quick response. We'd greatly appreciate receiving copies of your JDs and specs.
My email address is :
gavin.baugh@new-tr.wales.nhs.uk
Will keep you posted !

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Gavin

Unfortunately it's right MTO2 and MTO3 do come out on Band 4 and Band 5 respectivly. If you look back at the previous polls you'll see that for both MTO2 and MTO3 bands the results are not distributed clearly to one band but distributed across bands 4,5 and 6 respectively! In my opinion this demonstrates that Aganda for Change can only really work for nurses and when you try to apply it to other posts it produces a complete mess and introduces bad feelings and low moral.

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Gavin,

Down here in Glan Clwyd we have had mto 2 and mto 3 on a band 5 mto 4 is 6 most of us are appealing apart from the 2s of course. Good luck.

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Gavin,

I think under afc, most of the points are award for autonomy, qualifications. Band 4 is entry level. see www.dh.gov.uk Agenda for Change web site

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Knowlege training and experience is the most heavily weighted dimension and should go hand in hand with Freedom to Act.

You would need a degree and post grad diploma or good experience in lieu of diploma to get a band 6. Usually about 5 years progressive experience and short courses.

Being a "specialist" with a budget and staff helps to boost your score. Allocating work to staff is good, providing technical supervision is better and having managerial responsibility for staff is the better still.

A newly qualified nurse with a degree would be a band 5. If you need a degree or similar to do the job, with little or no experience, then you should be around band 5.

As pointed out in an earlier post, It is not about the person, it's about the post. So if the post requires a degree then this is what should be in your job description and not the qualification you may have. Bear in mind that it is what would be expected for the post to be fully competent and fully operational, not the entry requirements for the job.

I think a lot of people have submitted recruitment job descriptions rather than a job description which describes the fully operational post.

It's all clearly documented in the NHS Job Evaluation Handbook Second Edition found here.

http://www.dh.gov.uk/PublicationsAndStat...&chk=jZS4ev

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To match an AFC job description for banding, two sections ‘must be’ matched the Knowledge, training and experience (section 2) and Freedom to Act (section 12), you may then fail to match up to 4 of the other sections and as long as you reach the relevant job evaluation score you should get the band.

When (if) the regulation of Clinical Technologists happens anyone wishing to work as a medical engineer etc will either need to be "grand parented" on to the register or have completed an approved degree.

The AFC description for a Medical Engineering Technician band 5 Section 2:- Knowledge, Training and Experience says "Expertise within specialism, underpinned by theory. Professional electronics knowledge to degree equivalent level, acquired through BEng in electronics or HND + short courses or equivalent training and experience."

So combining the up coming regulation and AFC description it could be argued that anyone coming in to this role requires a degree and that anybody already in this role must have the equivalent training and experience.

As for autonomy unless the person you answer to supervises every thing you do including repairs on wards and work whilst on call then one could argue that a band 5 should be the minimum, for anybody already in post.

The AFC description for a Medical Engineering Technician Specialist adds specialist training and experience to section 2 and is lead practitioner for specialist equipment to section 12, therefore many people may be able to match a band 6.

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