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The course can only be run in premises which are City and guilds approved. And as Andy says this entails a considerable cost. I have heard figures of £1000 and £2000. This is ontop of any individual fees. Quite an undertaking for teaching one device that is already being done in a lot of places. Robert
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Tracy and Robert, There seems to be a little bit of harping on this "only one device taught" point, but that's not really the case. The e-learning package is not specific to any device, but is really very generic. The theoretical assessment is also generic and tests the learner's knowledge on drug calculations, device safety, gravity devices, volumetric devices and syringe devices (and probably more that I can't remember!). This is all transferrable and applicable to the learner giving any infusion. The practical assessment must be done on one syringe pump and one volumetric, this is only logical, as you can appreciate. You choose which devices they are assessed on, depending on what is available in your Trust. The assessment criteria are very robust and do not test specifics of that device, but instead test the user's application of the safe use of infusion devices in practice. I don't mean to sound like I'm advocating all Trusts running this program- we won't be here (after the pilot), but that has nothing to do with the content of the course. It is excellent. It's cost and logistics that are going to get in everyone's way. Feel free to contact me if you want any more advice on our experience with the pilot! Regards, Elie
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If the course is more taylored to the IV process compare to the devices, then the course should be advertised as such. I can definately see the benefit in this type of Coures (I already run a devices safety session).
Implying the course is a device course seems to be the problem!?! Tracy
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Dear all, Thanks very much to those of you that have contributed to this topic. What it shows me is that there is a varying understanding of what this course is about and undoubtedly there are serious communication issues in getting the true benfefts of the course to the people that need it most. I would like to state that I was not involved in the "launch" of this qualification (I suspect because I work for an infusion device company now!!) and I am acting independently. I was involved in the development of this qualification (along with a number of other like minded souls)but I am worried that it will not get a fair chance if potential users are not in possession of the full facts (Access, registration, support, assessment, cost etc etc).
I will pass this discussion thread to the person at City & Guilds to help them understand the concerns raised here.
Could I ask those of you who have requested my article to send me an email with your postal address in order to send you a reprint of article. Use email chris.quinn@cardinal.com and I will forward to you ASAP.
Best Wishes
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Elie, I understand that the training is generic when I said one device I meant an infusion device as opposed to a monitor, defib, etc., etc. If you multiply these costs (time as well as money) by every type of device in a hospital you will end up with very large figures. As the infusion training is generic you will have to follow it up with device specific training anyway. Though it should be easier if they understand infusions, you just have to tell them where the buttons on the pumps are...and all the additional specific features of that pump...I hope. Robert
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Our courses (Capital Medical) are also generic and cover a range of equipments, theory of operation, appropriate physiology and practical training exercises ie. practical fault finding; With an accredited certificate to boot. All technicians/engineers involved within this field require a combination of both generic and specific device training.
Fact: Training is expensive, some manufacturers that deliver specific device training at this location for the MoD and NHS students charge upto £1000.00 per student per day. Q. Do you really need a manufacturers certificate? e.g. Capital could for instance deliver a course e.g. on a particular infusion pump down to component level if you so wish and offer a certificate at a fraction of the cost? all of my course are externally asessed by an independent verification body.
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