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Originally posted by Geoff Hannis:
Meanwhile, what is the considered view of the Bretheren regarding the rating of fuses in UK-type mains plugs on detachable IEC mains cables? Leave at 13 Amps, change to suit the cable (ie, to protect the cable), or to suit the equipment (probably futile, if not counter-productive, these days as cables are swapped about so much)? smile
Most of the IEC leads are only rated at 10A anyway (socket end) so suppliers are wrong for fitting a 13A fuse in the first place.


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Geoff, IEC 62353 might have the summary as it simplifies testing and does only test using open earth single fault condition (class I devices).


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Geoff,
(for detachable leads only!!)

my own view on the plug/fuse situation is that equipment with a detatchable lead should be fitted with a 10 amp fuse to 'protect the cable' that provides power to our nice piece of medical equipment.

The equipment manufacturers from that point on, in order to certify to IEC 601 and CE marking must protect the device using their own internal fuses which are 95% of the time fitted to the standard IEC inlet.

I know there are arguments about this so again I will say that it is always down to an engineers own preference.

I have seen people going what I consider over the top by taking a lot of time to replace thousands of fuses to lower rated ones only to find that when the nurse uses her 'backup' cable' on the machine it defeats the object.

Or more frowned upon & annoying, take the rare circumstance of you wandering into a cupboard and finding where the mains lead eating monster stores his reserves (obviously you confescate them) and wonder which devices they were once fitted to and wonder whats on there now! (You can always come up with some brilliant system of barcoding or attaching but know it really is only a risk reduction exercise that a risk stopping exercise). Risk is a time based beast, lets spend time concentrating on the high and medium risk stuff such as PPM, calibrations and effective maintenance rather investing heavily in resorces trying to police systems which are doomed to fail because of fear. I take it that the device should be suitably fused at the back of the IEC socket.

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my own view on the plug/fuse situation is that equipment with a detatchable lead should be fitted with a 10 amp fuse to 'protect the cable' that provides power to our nice piece of medical equipment.
The IEC 320 detachable mains plug is usually rated at 10A continuous. the cable attached to this is typically either 10A rated (1mm^2) or 6A (0.75mm^2) continuous. The moulded mains plug attached to this is typically 3A, 5A or 13A continuous depending upon the manufacturer and whether it's supplied by the device OEM or not.

It makes sense fusing to the value of the component in the mains lead with the lowest continuous current rating. We buy 2m and 3m RS 10A rated moulded detachable mains IEC leads these days (13A rated mains plug, 10A rated cable, 10A rated IEC320 plug) - they're more robust and when fused at 10A are fully interchangeable.

According to 60601-1 medical devices with detachable mains leads should be manufactured with fusing on both poles to to give L and N protection if mains is reversed. The fusing in the mains plug is intended to protect the mains cable and the intention of fusing the device is to protect the medical device only.

After a device is manufactured, unless it's disassembled or repaired, then it's unlikely that internal compnents will be disturbed so the significant risks associated with electrical safety issues will be due to failure of a component. If the device has been manufactured to 60601-1 for example then under any forseeable SFC then the risks should be acceptable.

One concern I have with the 3rd-edition 60601-1 manufacturing standard is that it is based more on the premise of risk assessment thus it's possible that we will see more "novel" interpretations of what are currently accepted methods of manufacture. I'm not against this but I believe that we could be put in a position where experienced engineers may have to adapt to new ways of thinking about risk RE: potential hazards.

I think 62353 may be the way forward for routine testing, i.e. routine PPM and after repair - it's already the norm in Austria and Germany under their product law I think. We probably don't need to test mains, enclosure and applied parts for SFC, except earth O/C. This should speed up safety testing as a routine but only by seconds in practice.

Acceptance testing guidelines, RE: EST, are in place in the NHS based upon DB9801 that refers to H&SAWA, etc. I think it's wise to perform EST routinely - it's the interval that EST is performed at, in my opinion, not whether it should be performed or not (on mains powered devices in particular). It's clear that IEC leads are particularly susceptible to hazardous failure so regular inspection is necessary.

Routine PPM, including EST, is necessary to ensure that equipment is inspected for physical damage and performance verification is carried out (due to the nature of the application and environment it's used in), not to dwell on EST above and beyond the really significant risks presented by damaged mains cables, exposed conductors, etc. Yes, EST is required on PPM - it can be visual and/or electrical according to HSE.

What's at issue is not whether EST should be carried out, it's what the appropriate intervals for PPM should be and whether there's a need to perform visual and electrical EST at every inspection. This obviously depends on the device, how robust it is, it's environment, usage and whether it's been disassembled or repaired, for example.

When safety testing does become a contentious issue is when it's carried out on acceptance when new products are introduced or when complex systems, e.g. video endoscopy stacks and IT connected medical devices, for use in high-risk patient areas are effectively being manufactured and commissioned in-house for use with other potentially high-risk devices, e.g. ESU, insufflators, lasers, anaesthetics, etc.

We have to consider the effects of active devices on patients who may be physically connected to multiple electrical or mechanical devices and vulnerable, i.e. incapacitated. We can't just ignore that there is a requirement for capable individuals to be aware of and analyse the risks under these circumstances - there's functional safety and clinical issues to consider a swell as electrical safety - it's part of the job.

When individuals on this site get the impression that others are "going over the top" when talking safety I think they may not realise that what's being discussed is safety as applied to manufacture, acceptance, routine testing and clinical use - they're not always distinct and seperate issues when considering evaluation of devices and incidents associated with them.

Some take-in the fundamentals to get a deeper understanding and others pick up what they need to do the job - what "level" safety related issues are discussed at depends on individuals' job-role, level of knowledge and experience.

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It's better to perform safety test on every major ppm and repair. It only takes a few minutes using the auto mode of the analyzer.

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