Home Articles Downloads Forum Products Services EBME Expo Contact
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Rate Thread
Page 14 of 14 1 2 12 13 14
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Charming! As I said myself, earlier in this posting:

Quote:
I disagree that engineers should be allowed into any engineering related profession just because they have a few post-nominals after their name. I believe they must prove themselves and give evidence of what they say they've done and it must be relevant otherwise they end up learning on the job at inappropriate grades compromising others who are going through the career path.
Couldn't agree with you more in fact.

Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,020
Hero
Offline
Hero
Joined: Jul 2002
Posts: 2,020
Does the size of the part count?
Ooh Err Matron

Sorry I meant
Ooh Err Modern Matron

Not as good as it used to be is it?

The joke not the part....well if I am being honest......
Robert


My spelling is not bad. I am typing this on a Medigenic keyboard and I blame that for all my typos.
A
Anonymous
Unregistered
Anonymous
Unregistered
A
Seriously; I was asking about what people consider to be "complex" because I think that MHRA raises potentially very contentious issues when trying to suggest a level of qualification for individuals servicing "complex" equipment (not like their usual impartial, fence-sitting nature, when considering their protection of commercial "sensitivities" I might add).

What I was referring to when I mentioned technicians qualified to L3 fixing "complex" equipment, and trying to find out from others what "complex" might mean to them, is that this is very subjective depending upon the level individuals are already experienced working at and who employs them.

It's all right for MHRA to state that L3 qualified individuals work on "complex" kit but the educational requirements of AfC and KSF (the things that determine salaries in the NHS) mean that it's possible that employers could actually use this guidance to justify employing individuals in the NHS who're on lower bands, hence lower salaries, to work on more complex equipment than they should be expected to considering the rate they're paid, the skills and knowledge they're expected to pick up on the job.

To me "complex" equipment could mean stuff fixed by a "specialist" - read into that as you will but as a "specialist" on band 6 I wouldn't want a lower graded technician i.e Band 4/5 (due to L3 qualifications or equivalent) to be expected to work on the same "complexity" of equipment as me, as suggested by the MHRA, and not earning a comparable wage. Neither do I relish the thought that this person might never be able to get out of this "trap" because VRCT/HPC will never consider them "fully qualified" until they get piece of paper and letters after their name.

However there has to be a line drawn somewhere. Qualifications, skills and experience translate to hard cash in the pocket, to some extent. I just don't think MHRA should have made statements about the level of qualification required to work on "complex" equipment without being able to specify or give examples what's meant by "complex" or even give the type of qualifications or basic training required, in general.

What's this tripe from DB2006(05) mean then?

Quote:
Individuals providing repair and maintenance services need to be adequately trained and appropriately qualified. This applies to directly employed staff, contracted services or others. For simple mechanical devices a qualification at NVQ level 2 may be
appropriate. For more complex devices a qualification at NVQ level 3 or above may be required. The level of qualifications and training required for each individual should be stipulated in all service contracts provided by external contractors or in house services.
Meaningless codswallop! Be interested to know who contributed this - is this actually meant to be guidance that is taken seriously?

As others have stated before - all these organisations are chipping-in about levels of required skills, qualifications and experience but there's no consistency or coordination with each other. They're not getting into the politics or discussing what they're publishing - it just seems to me that the whole lot of them, AfC panels, KSF panels, NOS groups, VRCT, IPEM, MHRA, NHS, DoH are just sending mixed messages about what's required to do the job.

I think that as a government agency that's always seemed, to me, keen to be seen to protect the interests of medical equipment manufacturers, in particular, (and their "commercial sensitivities") that the MHRA would have stayed out of the "required qualifications" political debacle.

Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 464
Sage
Offline
Sage
Joined: Jun 2001
Posts: 464
Too many fingers in the pie!

Someone once told us that all equipment is complex, the first time that you work on it. After that, it's routine!

Cheers
Mark

Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10
Novice
Offline
Novice
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 10
Nurses have to pay for their own registration fees. I think we will have to do the same even if we are dragged screaming all the way to the bank.

I think a lack of registration has been our downfall in the past and has meant that we get treated like "back room boys" and girls, rather than the professionals we have to be in order to do the job properly.

I recon I pay about twelve quid a year for each letter after my name, expensive I know but it looks good on paper and it is recognition for all the years of study and experience.

As for a training budget to keep up registration........

Did I see a pig fly past just then?

Page 14 of 14 1 2 12 13 14

Moderated by  DaveC in Oz, RoJo 

Link Copied to Clipboard
Who's Online Now
4 members (Neil Porter, daisizhou, Huw, Geoff Hannis), 15,848 guests, and 33 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Newest Members
james_on_ebme, Biomed Egypt, Nektarios K., Keisya Andretta, Diego Lins
10,363 Registered Users
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics11,251
Posts74,491
Members10,361
Most Online59,530
Apr 30th, 2026
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.5