EBME Forums Forums Management Professional Issues Agenda For Change Transitional points problem!!

No, I wasn't implying what you imply, John. It was only a means of referring to who I'll now have to refer to as the bloke. But, seeing as you've brought it up, the three years would be a factor, I should imagine.

On the issue of biomed departments (and not really on topic, but never mind), my quick response would be:- define "fail". How bad do things have to be before someone steps-in, as it were? In my own travels around the back corridors and Portakabins, I've coming across some pretty appalling set-ups. Perhaps I've just been unlucky?

But I'll bow here to your more informed opinion. Efficient, well-run departments should have nothing to fear.

Cavalier? More of a Roundhead, I would have thought.

Somehow I imagined a keen as mustard guy doing the right thing, getting a bad deal for his efforts and felt sympathy for his situation, it appears this chap may just want a peaceful life until retirement, does your colleague deserve a pay rise ?
There are many out there as old or older than this guy I would emlpoy without hesitation, I have recently taken on guys the wrong side of fifty, despite their age, these guys have more energy, drive and ambition than you can imagine, not to mention a heap of common sense and a range of social skills missing from some of our younger generation, they are worth every penny !
Their attitude and efforts justify a greatly enhanced employment package, their professional and personal circumstances have improved out of all recognition, they are valued, contribute and are happy, It is my responsibility to make sure this is the case.
So, although my comments appear less constructive on face value, if youre made of the right stuff and are hitting a brick wall, leaving should not be treated as a last resort but a priority.

Darren

I think there are a few of us out there who have been pushed onto the same increment point as a collegue who had been on an incremental point or 2 lower just before the AfC.
Will the "gateways" help resolve the issue? doubt it!
As long as we are all treated the same, what difference does an incremental point make?
Im happy to have a job and spend my wage at the end of the month.

Ever gave it a thought that this guy may have been "a keen as mustard guy" who got badly let down by AfC (and his bosses) and is now looking to bide out his time and look forward to the best level of pension that he possibly deserves? Given the fact we don't know who this guy is lets give him the benefit of the doubt and think positive about him.

Unfortunately not everyone is able to vote with their feet and everyone already knows the mess that AfC was so can be bypass all that nonsense and come up with some positive suggestions that Mr '3 year guy' (and countless other who must be out there) can use to better his lot?

Sorry but it seems to me that your guy may have missed the boat. If he did not appeal his original grading under AFC and accepted what the panel decided then he may have very little room for manoeuvre. As the whole point of AFC was to grade the post, and not the person doing it. If the new starter is doing the same job as your man with three years in post then it stands to reason that they should be on the same pay scale. He can only have a grievance if the newcomer is doing a lower grade job than him.

How about hearing from the man in question?

No doubt the bloke has seen the comments his predicament has generated, Dicky. Perhaps he prefers not to come forward. That's fair enough. What do you think this is, Mate ... a Kangaroo Court?

The tech in question started in ebme in sept 04 (just before the afc start date). He knew that with the experience he had that he was on the correct grade, the issue is that he was put on the bottom of the transitional points which are now being abolished and that the new starter we are employing (0 years experience) will be on the same money!!! (seems very unfair to me)
I posted this to see if anyone else out there knew of anyone in similar circumstances, ebme or other hospital staff, and what if anything they are doing about it!

ps. thanks for the very positive comments scottish, i'm sure he'll appreciate them!

No intention of implying it was a kangaroo court, but sometimes you can put your own case forward better than others who may not be as forthrite as you would yourself about a situation. If any offence was taken none was meant.

Perhaps I could have worded that last post slightly better.