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Well there you go it doesn't matter what the background you come from it is possible to make it in this mine field I did and I'm NOT from the MOD or Med Physics!!!, as for VRCT if you meet the criteria and you as a person feel that this is the way forward for you then thats fine at the end of the day this is NOT a dictorial state yet is it?? I for one am in VRCT as I felt it was the way forward for me.


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care So RJL you felt my original comments were an attack on you personally and not on the system. You have identified yourself without any help from me but in the process actually attacked me for your own gratification, as for bullying please examine your own tactic as follows
Quote "In fact YOU, TIM, posted all of these comments and, in fact, YOU are the person who started posting nonsense like this. He's still not come up with any arguments relating to the VRCT thread only insults all the way!" you like shouting don't you, "get a life" and welcome to the real world and take a good look a mirror.
Also from your quote you have obviously decided that costs "financially and morally " are not worthy of debate! You appear to be full of your own importance. I have met a few used car salesman in my long career in the NHS I didn't expect to meet one here. I am not sold on your opinions either.

You keep naming me in your attacks - so what other way can I interpret it? I can't have an opinion but you can is that it? You're at it again insulting me for no reason! When is it going to stop? Please stop harrassing me.

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Please ...lets keep this debate as a debate. I may have to appoint a speaker to control the 'nays' to the left and the 'ayes' to the right. wink quiet please....




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Wasn't the last speaker pushed - or did he leave?

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When the clinical scientists had their voluntary register set up I remember speaking to a guy in Scotland who did not join. It did not stop him working, and he could have joined the register under the 'grandfather clause'. i.e. if you are doing the job - you have nothing to prove. He told me a short story: While working in Scotland he applied for and was offerred a job at a nearby Hospital. He then declined the job. After 18 months the job came up again, this time he was not accepted on the grounds of not being registered. The DoH had taken over the register in the mean time. He regretted not joining the register.

For £10, it is a risk not worth taking. I have advised all our technicians to join. It is their choice. smile

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Been following this with interest but can’t type fast enough to respond when I really want to. However, in for a penny…..

Maybe I’m taking a very simplistic view, but I really don’t see the problem with registration/regulation. If you’re in a qualifying post, what’s the problem? If you’re not in a qualifying post, again, what’s the problem? It’s not going to affect you.

As it stands we are one of the few groups who are not regulated. You can’t be a plumber/electrician/gas fitter without being suitably qualified and registered. So what does that make us? A bunch of ‘cowboys’? (no offence intended to ranch-workers etc)

If regulation means that your job title and hence function is protected, meaning that you can’t be replaced by a lesser qualified (experiential and/or academically) person on lower pay, is this not a good thing?

To me, paying VRCT registration fees to avoid higher initial HPC registration fees, is a bit like paying to protect your no-claims on car/home insurance. You hope it doesn’t happen, but you pay out just in case because the resultant price hike post-claim is exhorbitant and lasts for years (even if it is not your fault!).

The subject of Union membership has also been raised. If you are a member (I am) the reality is you get very little for your money (over £100 pa). How many really question the value of Union fees? Not too many, I suspect.

As a point of interest, if it was going the other way i.e. de-regulating, would there be such an outcry I wonder?

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Who would want to be responsible for controlling MPs at the HP... I think that we are far more dignified here. Lets not get like those at the HP, where the debate often ends up becoming a farce.


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Richard,

Quote: I guess VRCT is not for you because...

I havn't gone quite that far have I? Yes I have questioned what tangible benifits state regulation have (for me) and I have certainly questioned how far membership costs will rise. (because they will, certainly no one is challenging this)

I recieved (In the RAF) an excellent basic training which has instilled in me self regulation. I constantly self review my own engineering practices and training needs and act accordingly. These basics have translated into a strong sense of duty of care to any patients and staff who come into contact with any kit I've had my mitts in.

So other technicians may need regulation, but I've yet to be convinced that I do.

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I can't understand why nobody has questioned me on the Registrants i have mentioned in previous posts. No disrespect to them and i certainly will not identify them or their role, but they might as well be Macdonalds waiters as regards their relevance to VRCT or the role of a CT, yet they are members. I guess i am therefore questioning/provoking debate about the integrity/validity of the VRCT and any subsequent official Regulation. Is VRCT advocating these individuals are fit to practice (as CT's)?
Regarding a previous response where "if Regulation comes in, not all members of VRCT will be required to register with the HPC" if they are not operating within the Scope of Practice, then please explain why you have been happy to take their money over the last few years!
By the way, i'm pretty certain that VRCT is much more than £10, £35-£55 rings a bell but funny nobody else has felt compelled to point out this error... eh VRCT and their proponents?

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Was'nt the last Speaker female, Betty Boothroyd?


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