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Sorry John! The 'plug' was in my signature! The smiley was at Geoff's comment!

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Whilst on the subject of PPQs - can any body help me with any guidance on completion of the form as a supplier. Some background behind what youa are really looking for and why would help us suppliers to give you more helpful information.

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Nothing to earth shattering Mike, just basics like is the equipment made to and tested to the correct standards?

Can we in the interests of reducing costs and increasing speed of maintenance/repair/calibration get training, parts and manuals?

If the product needs to be repaired/serviced by the supplier can it be done on location at a UK base or does it need to go abroad?

Is it still a current product and will it be supported for a reasonable time?

Does the product require a specific installation?

And what is required to clean/decontaminate the product?

They are only basic questions but they should stop items not designed for a hospital environment ending up in one, items that cannot be used due to a lack of certain facilities in the location being purchased, and suppliers saying that the item we bought (at great cost) two years ago now being obsolete.

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Thanks for you prompt response.
I am really looking at small equipment which really doesn't have any maintenance as such and only requires repair when it is thrown to the ground in temper. The questions answered truly make it look very negative.
Is it acceptable to put N/A instead of No when that really is the case for instance where there really is no sensible user repair - we don't repair it either?
Really just trying to get a feel for what you chaps are looking for.

Mike

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Personally an attached sheet stating any areas of the PPQ that need clarification is always appreciated.

When you work out the hourly rate for labour in an EBME department it becomes apparent that it is not financially viable to repair many items of equipment.

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What gets my goat is what happened last Friday. An item came in for testing for a loan.

We were told about it at the last minute, but the surgeon had been approached at least twice beforehand to arrange and "sell" the product. EBME/Medical Physics is of course not important enough to be included in the arrangements. I actually told the rep that I was not impressed at the delivery note being seen as a rubber-stamping exercise...

The item was CE marked, but was evidently at least four years old (from an old safety test sticker).

When I asked for proof of a service history, I was told there wasn't one because it was not needed, as decided by the American parent company. The proof I was given for this lack of need was a proforma PPQ from 2003... with the service required box completed with "NO".

It would not be so bad, but the rep was describing it as a non-invasive item, even though connecting it involves electrodes in an ET tube and nerve stimulators/sensors applied directly during open surgery. That is pretty darned invasive in my book!

This machine is a glorified TENS/feedback system run through what looks like a privately-programmed 486 PC. Our hand-held stimulator devices from another company are not computer driven, but they get checked out regularly, as are TENS machines. So why should this unit be any different?

I asked for technical help, but apparently the rep thought he was sufficiently qualified as a technical advisor and a surgical trainer and everything else. There is no technical service in the UK, and there was no access to talk to the engineers in the Netherlands (where these items go if they need repairs - £10,000 of kit is worth repairing).

I would not like to be operated on by any surgeon however good if s/he was trying to use an unfamiliar piece of kit guided only by a non-surgeon desperate to make a sale.

The PPQ just allows the company to tell us about the equipment and their services. I think they should be used more to force the poorer-performing companies into providing a better service.

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You should have declared it not fit for purpose and informed the surgeon and theatre manager.


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Unfortunately not all EBME (or similar) have the power inside their organisation to refuse items.

Clare have you asked the surgeon what happens when the item fails and it is in the Netherlands for two months?

Have you spoken to your Risk Manager about the risk to your trust with an item that you can not service/PPM, or about the risk of purchasing an old piece of equipment which you have no service history for?

Another good trick is to refuse the item and ask the surgeon to sign to take on the risk.

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Does m*****tech ring any bells???

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