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I see the MSc is mentioned in a previous post. Does anyone think this is worth doing? I've done a BEng in Electrical/Electronic Engineering and from what I've seen of it it does seem questionable. I have heard that it isn't accredited (not sure if this is true) and I've also seen two guys do exactly the same project (virtually word for word) in their final year which does make me wonder what sort of standard we're actually looking at as a course. Are the uni just taking the money without applying due diligence? I would like to think any educational establishment worth its salt would pick up on this.

I believe it's true to say that standards have fallen in general over the years, Jocky.

Arborfield used to churn out useful blokes. Many of them are now contributors to this forum.

City & Guilds (or ONC) used to be entirely adequate. Now it seems that every Tom, Dick and Ali needs to have a degree just to get on the first rung of the ladder.

Arte et Marte!

Just in case anyone is confused I meant the MSc was questionable, not the BEng!

Geoff, there does seem to be a race for qualifications(The recently floated idea that all nurses should have a degree is a case in point) so that you don't get left behind, especially when in the mob and not having a real handle on what's happening in the 'real' world.

Keeping up with this 'arms race' is the only reason I did my degree. I had an HNC in the same subject before.

Don't worry, there are still plenty of opportunities in the "real world" for blokes who don't mind (not too proud to do) - prefer and enjoy, even - "hands-on" work.

You won't get left behind. Believe me, you are already way out in front, if I know anything about it (and I like to think that I do).

Good point Geoff, how many of these degree types are actually willing to put the pen down, roll up their sleeves and get the job done?

Especially in your neck of the woods that why you are there to crack the whip Neil. I am sure you enjoy doing that.....

Here we are fine, I am talking about the "Western" world

I would have thought the hands on aspect was what drew a lot of us to this job. As a relative newbie to this job I'm obviously horrendously naive!!!

OK, now I understand ... did Umish used to be one of your blokes, then, Neil?

That must explain how come y'all get on so well!

@Jocky: don't worry, Mate. If you spend any time on here, you'll soon pick up the drift, so to speak. As I say, just plough your own furrow, enjoy the magic whilst it lasts (that is, until the novelty wears off), and ignore those who may have an axe to grind.

A MSc is only worth it depending on the course content, I would recommend the Open University's MSc in Medical Physics. Very good sections on X-ray, Ultrasound and MRI.

There does seem a lot of degree's that are just there for people to say they have done one and like even your School exams you'll probably never use again!

The not putting the pen down stage or getting their head out of the user manual comes between HND and degree level and it is one skill you need to do a MSc.