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No, but I believe you no longer get offered a towel to dry behind your ears and your trusted to wipe your own ass

you forgot to add the use of your own car for the band 4 position aswell as the oncall rota???

What's the matter with you guys, can't you spot a *"wind-up" when you see one?

Biomeds used to be famous for devising ever more elaborate jolly japes (back in the Good Old Days, that is).

Surely it's obvious that the guys at the "Central Location" are having a laugh?

* It rhymes with "mind", rather than "pinned"!

Is the same "Central location" the same place that made the news recently for lots of other reasons.

Seems lessons learnt aren't two words they have much experience of.

Band 4 position should be clearly defined under AfC, not how some people want to interpret it.

As mentioned by colleagues on here already to place an advertisement at this level and expecting experience and the ability to do on-call means one thing... You should be competent to work alone, on all items of equipment and have the ability to make judgement calls that can effect patient care/treatment.

An organisation has the right to advertise a post as they see fit but if they expect to employ someone fitting the requirement of the advert place here then ..good luck ... will watch the press for further details periodically

What's that saying about peanuts & monkeys? But it's up to the individual if they are happy with the (scant) salary.

Err ... "monkey see, monkey do"?

None of you blokes gets paid peanuts, Bill.

If you don't believe me, try venturing out of the "comfort zone" and have a go on the Dark Side for a while. Even then, there is zero security (as I have recently been reminded).

Meanwhile, everyone on the outside knows the reality of the situation:- that the NHS is run for the benefit of the staff, not the patients!

I think what blurrs the picture with the NHS is that we are paid in bands where most people get automatic promotions every year until they get to the top. the range for a band 4 starts at £18,400 and you would have to work for at least 6 years to get to £21,800. Geoff, I hope you are not getting any less than that with your experience and talents.
I have ventured out of the comfort zone in the past but realised which side my bread was buttered.

All this NHS (public service) battering has come about by this government drip feeding stuff to the press and pointing out that we are paying for this...so what! We have been paying for this for decades, nobody's complained before, it's just the tories looking for ways to privatise the NHS, divide and conquer. Put out the perception that the NHS is a big fat inefficient burden on our pockets and you will have the country up in arms crying for change.
The reality of the matter is that most NHS staff have suffered poor pay and conditions compared with private sector in the past. It's only through the hard work an dedication of the Unions that many staff receive a reasonable level of pay and conditions today. The fact that the private sector is suffering is due to the temporary economic situation, I'm sure when things pick up we (public sector workers) will take up our usual position behind the private sector.

That's the sort of thing that dog owners say ... when Fido has just sunk his teeth into your arse!

But, seeing that you mentioned "reality" there, Bill (and at the risk of straying off topic even further) ... here's another version of it:- the private sector is not interested in "experience" (especially, if like me, you are deemed to be "yesterday's man") ... neither, it would seem, are they much interested in "talent" either.

They just want you to get on with the work they actually pay (and want) you to do. They couldn't care less about any precious egos (or, for that matter, stories about the Good Old Days). If you're lucky, you'll get paid a reasonable, but not lavish, reward.

What they want are young, malleable, people. If you have done "all the courses" then that's great (as you are unlikely to get any training from them). And if you venture out onto the agency circuit, say ... then you'll most likely be in competition with immigrants. It wasn't the present lot (government, so-called) that set that situation in train, I might add. It might be [censored], but that's the view from where I'm standing.

So there you have it. As you say, realise where your bread is buttered, crack on with what needs to be done ... and (dare I say) quit moaning!

If we didn't moan what would we do

Bill mcg - I would suggest that the reason that you had the original e-mail is that according to the IPEM Annual Review 2011, the Technologist Advisory Group is a 'new version' of the restructured Clinical Technologist Education and Training Panel. 'Being a new group means it has spent the last few months publicising its existence and encouraging technologists to volunteer and join its ranks'.

Furthermore, they state 'The TAG main purpose is to advise IPEM on issues that are of concern to technologists and that are relevant to the work of the IPEM. We want to encourage technologists to get involved and take part in the wider work of the IPEM and we'll be making nominations onto IPEM committees and working groups'.

Hope this clarifies things.