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A spade is a spade and scum are scum, political correctness has gone to far. There are other means available to people to demonstrate their anger other than murder and looting. Mike you seem a decent chap, organize a protest march for the unemployed, hopefully on a day that it is not raining and make sure that they have collected their giro's first don't want them deprived of the family inheritance.
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Giro's? Just shows how long you've been away there, Neil (luckily for you, I might add)! 
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Still whatever payment they receive, it is still treated as an inheritance. I am in favour of having the benefits/housing removed if found guilty. To take it a step further it should be for all felons not just the looters.
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Personally, I believe that once a person deliberately commits any criminal act, then s/he forfeits any claim(s) to be treated to State handouts ("benefits") of any kind (including so-called "Human Rights"). I also believe that capital crimes warrant capital punishment. Why not? After all, all the clues are there! But all this tough talk that we are hearing at the moment is actually just so much BS. Very soon things will revert to "business as usual", effectively bribing the low-life to "be good", and not to cause too much trouble. Remember that many of the "rioters" are just kids anyway, and therefore outside of the Law in many respects. And how is turfing council tenants out onto the street(s) going to encourage them to become law-abiding citizens (quite the opposite, I should imagine)? If our government wants to really do something that will make a lasting difference, the first thing to address should be leaving the EU ... and thereby closing the door to the steady stream of Eastern Europeans taking the lower paid jobs. Otherwise, how can the chavs be "put to work" (when all such jobs are already filled)? And (lastly) has anyone else noticed how quickly "justice" (or rather the English version of it) is being meted out to the "rioters" (which is all to the good), whilst other serious cases drag on for years. Don't forget that many erstwhile "senior people" with undoubted cases to answer still remain at large, with one notable example jetting around the world expecting people to cough up £ 1,000 (or so) a plate just to listen to his sanctimonious [censored]!
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This e-petition has received the following response: This e-petition has reached 100,000 signatures. The Government has notified the Backbench Business Committee in the House of Commons who will consider its suitability for debate when Parliament returns in September. This e-petition will remain live, and people will be able to continue adding their signatures. As you may be aware, the House of Commons debated the recent public disorder when Parliament was recalled on 11 August 2011 and there was an opportunity for MPs to address the substance of this e-petition. This does not preclude a decision by the Backbench Business Committee to schedule a further debate on this issue when the House of Commons returns from the summer recess. In the meantime, we would like to update you on the Government’s current position on the substance of this e-petition. Prisoners convicted of a criminal offence and detained in prison are not entitled to social security benefits. That means that anyone who is eligible for social security benefits and who is caught, convicted and imprisoned for any offence committed during the recent disorder that has disrupted London and other UK cities will be disqualified from receiving social security payments. The Department for Work and Pensions is also looking at whether further sanctions can be imposed on the benefit entitlements of individuals who receive non custodial sentences. In addition the Department is considering increasing the level of fines which can be deducted from benefit entitlement. In relation to social housing, it is already a ground for eviction if a tenant or a member of their family is involved in anti-social behaviour or criminal activity in their local neighbourhood. Ministers have encouraged social landlords to use these powers, and a number of local authorities have pledged to do so. The Department for Communities and Local Government is consulting on proposals to allow such evictions to take place where the criminal activity takes place outside the vicinity of the local neighbourhood; more information is available to view here: http://www.communities.gov.uk/statements/newsroom/publicdisorder.
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Barney et al, You mustn’t go around calling these people lowlife scum, or scroats, as that may be deemed defamation of character. They are normal people like us and have rights you know. You can collectively call them what ever you like, and lowlife scum does seem to fit the bill. For defamation UK law requires first the information to be knowingly incorrect, second transmitted to a third party and thirdly the person to be clearly identified either by name or a nickname that can be traced back to the person. 1 out of 3 doesn't work. Although there are some really good easily recognizable photos, which the unedited bits would stand up excellently in court. I think the picture Royally f*@%d sums things up excellently.
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Although he was barely given a chance to speak by the other "experts" involved, historian Dr. David Starkey hit the nail on the head on BBC Newsnight the other evening. He said that modern black music glamorises and promotes gang culture and violence, and that this has become fashionable amongst many white people as well. He said that the problem isn't skin colour. The problem is a particular type of black culture which has become fashionable amongst the young. The idols of this "culture" wear baggy jeans without belts, emulating prisoners in the US. It is a crime-based culture which has its own language, based on Jamaican slang. It is a culture which mocks education in favour of criminality. It is culture which refers to women as bitches and whores. It is a culture that is littered with words that would see me arrested if I were to use them. It is a loser culture, and like the dumb sheep they appear to be, many idiotic young people see it as "cool", idolising losers and criminals instead of looking up to civilised, hard-working and educated people. It is but one of the many "benefits" that our "multicultural society" affords us! We don't see much in the way of "integration" ... but instead the various groups "tolerate" each other through filters of mutual suspicion. These are problems we have imported over the years. Those problems won't simply go away now. How wonderful! Let us celebrate our diversity! 
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Meanwhile, it is surely worthwhile pondering (especially on such a forum as this one) the part that technology has played in recent events, not only in the UK but in other parts of the world also.
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The idols of this "culture" wear baggy jeans without belts, emulating prisoners in the US. Slightly off topic but strangely this has been heavily debated. Partly because it is suggested that baggy jeans in US prisons were a sign of homosexuality given that it wasn't possible to cottage in prison. Alternative explanations have been offered, that in poorer families clothes were handed down so the baggier your jeans the bigger your brother. Also it has been suggested it was actually started in the skater/surfer community or that it was easier to conceal a weapon in baggy clothing.
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Another explanation was that the wearer wanted to make sure that everyone realised that he hoped to look like a prat, and so remove any doubt as to whether or not he was in fact a prat!  The dude may also choose to reinforce this perception by wearing stupid looking headgear* that looks like the previous owner was one of the seven dwarfs (that's when not "wearing" the full "hoodie", of course - the preferred uniform when out rioting, swearing, shouting at passers-by, nicking stuff, dealing, using, generally being a [censored] nuisance, or [censored] against someone's front door). Meanwhile, whilst it may indeed be difficult to "cottage" in prison, it is invariably possible to "shower" (as some of the more recent recruits will hopefully discover). * Usually known as a "Slouchy Beanie", apparently.
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