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where is the so-called* NHS going to find the next wave of technicians, once the rapidly declining stock of Old Sweats have moved on? I think that has been addressed by MSC - and is a total unworkable cock-up with no relavence to equipment servicing as it tries to address all "technologist" posts with one size fits all. Robert Can of worms duly opened up for debate.
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Better ask Rob. 
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... furthermore, it rather begs the question (does it not?) about:- what criteria should be included in those NOS documents? Perhaps we could lay out a suggested list (for debate) here?  Meanwhile ... as far as MSC is concerned, maybe we had better leave that for Bill's thread. 
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Once you lay out a suggested list, who is in authority to endorse it? Is there an 'Institute of Biomedical Engineers/Technicians' or as some like to call themselves clinical engineers. First and foremost the needs to be clear guidelines as to job titles and job descriptions, followed by educational requirements to attain the positions. A full working proposal should be forwarded by an authorized body to the Government (whichever section deals with these matters (education, work and pensions). Think it is time to wake-up and stop dreaming as today is my day off and I should be doing something more constructive, cleaning the house comes to mind.
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Neil, There are the AfC Healcare Scientist job descriptions from the lowest of the low to the highest of the high. These were written by a panel and endorsed by AfC and - actually - reflact various jobs at various levels quite well. However they are by nature fairly generic but do lay out necessary qualifications, skill levels and expected work practices. Now all we have to do is use AfC as a guideline and stop offering jobs at a band lower. Robert
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Is AFC just for the NHS or does it encompass the whole of the UK, private and public?
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Neil, You are right there it is just for NHS but it can be used as a template for other organisations and as a benchmark to compare like with like. Robert
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Private companies will not use AFC if it means paying increased salaries, college, university courses are not designed around AFC, therefore an industry standard needs to be created with an authorized body and educational courses to meet the standards.
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First and foremost you need to establish "Biomedical Engineering" as a trade, much like a plumber, carpenter, electrician etc. Without that you are going nowhere.
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Once you lay out a suggested list, who is in authority to endorse it?
That would be the NOS, then.  After all, how many of these "Nationally Recognised Bodies" do we need? Having too many is part of the problem, and it's surely yet another case of "Less is More"! Yes, there is an "Institute of Biomedical Engineers/Technicians"* ... in your dreams, Neil.  * Actually, that would be nothing new, as there have already been so many - mainly in the US. Anyone else remember SBET?
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