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Overheard in the boardroom:- "get it sold, then move on; we'll worry about 'service' later (if at all)"!

Although the "big" manufacturers all have well-established service departments (many being international in reach), the Big Shots at the top probably don't worry too much about the revenue to be generated by a few Service Contracts, spare parts and what-have-you. Although they may well be mistaken in that view, their main focus is always going to be the Big Bucks made by selling capital equipment (or lots of smaller new equipment).

Meanwhile, the "smaller" manufacturers probably see Service as a cost (or overhead), rather than a profit centre (potentially, at least).

Some companies - those of the "one product" variety - try to get away without the Service overhead at all (that is, don't have their own service engineers). A lot of these companies such as these are actually just importers anyway - and often don't really have much of a clue (or even care overly much) about the technicalities of the stuff they are flogging.

Some may rely solely on the warranty afforded by the OEM ... which may (or may not) be next to worthless as far as the end user (aka the Customer) is concerned.

But that's OK, as it opens the door* for my own favourite:- the third-party service provider; folk for whom service is the primary concern of their business (rather than a begrudged after-thought).

I have never worked for a manufacturer myself, but instead have preferred to work for Service, as well as O&M, companies ... both of which tend to be managed by engineers rather than salesmen (or even worse, bean counters).

That's not to say that engineers can not be entrepreneurs, far from it, in fact. But in my experience, service companies rarely make Big Bucks (and almost never the "quick kill") and it's a game that has be considered over the Long Haul. That is, after thirty years or so of carefully plodding on you might find that you've made a few quid after all! smile

* Or should that be "the window of opportunity"?

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again I perhaps should have been more specific in that my enquiry was more about warranty visits and it appears that our estates contracts department does already have lots of good things built into their boilerplate service contract for company agents to wear a badge, identify themselves etc, etc.

So my enquiry is where there isn't already an explicit service contract with the company but is during the warranty period, is there an industry standard or guidance to cover the situation instead

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If folk are coming into the hospital and removing kit without permission ... well, there are long-standing laws about that sort of thing!

Hint:- it's known as theft. We used to have organisations called "Police Forces" to deal with stuff like that. To be honest, I'm not sure where we stand on all that these days. whistle


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Yes You are right my old friend, there are a lot of cow boy medical device engineers out. There are people who entered the EBME arena, because they where unable to find work in their chosen profession and latched on to EBME because there is work available in this area.

They have no clue about fixing gear let alone satisfy customers!


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We just make it a requirement that service engineers working on medical equipment have to sign in and out with us, so that we get to let them know about what we expect, what to do if they hear the fire alarm and who to call if they have a problem.

For reps, our Trust now uses Reptrax, which they have to sign up for and then use an electronic sign-in machine to visit the hospital. I think they even need an appointment to come in through that, though I haven't had to try it out!

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Yes, back in the days when hospitals tended to be well-run (and smaller) places, it was normal practice to require sales "reps" to check in and out with the Supplies Department ... and service engineers to check in and out with the Biomed Department (or the Estates Department, as the case may be).

Why can't we just stop faffing around and go back to simple common-sense procedures that worked well enough? smile

PS: is "credentialing" another word that we will be incentivized into using? "Going forward", that is. whistle

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