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#7295 25/01/07 12:30 PM
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I like the new feature, Huw. Automatic double posts (?) smile


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Only if you submit twice Geoff. wink

We had some problems causing the cluster to run slowly.

ebme is not happy on Fedora Core 4 but works well on Fedora Core 3.

Same version of Apache and PHP on each server, so no reason why it shouldn't like FC4 but there ya go.

Anyway, as a result the page looked as though it was 'hanging' and users were submitting twice.

Not sure why that should have happened today though but it's clear you submitted twice as your post times were 11.27 and 11.30.

It doesn't look as though you are posting from an intranet - but matybe BT have a sluggish cache today?

I'll have a look around to see if I can find any problems.

Cheers smile

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I would like to say something kind and positive about the optim database but I cant bring myself to do it. It appears as though support problems can cause issues (call me cynical but I would have expected this!)

The package is obviously developed by another 'house' or 'branch' of the company (probably sub contracted) with little or no opportunity to feed back into the main project for rapid changes.

Would I part with my hard earned cash for a product like this, NO. Do I have personal experience of this product NO, but it would still sit uncomfortably with me.

I have seen only one product on the UK market that is 80% or more of the way there for functionality, the other 20% I'm sure is open for development or may be implemented soon.

I recently attended a meeting and had the pleasure of a presentation by the company and an opportunity to grill them with many questions. The direction and speed in which their product was evolving was very promising and it is without a doubt aimed at the right level.

Previously I would have rated the optim package from word of mouth, however after seeing other systems in demonstration I was impressed. It takes a lot to impress me with databases, but it worked.

Obviously if people are moving from early dos based systems to modern products then your functionality requirements may be limited or shallow. If you are moving from custom software, including windows/ms access then your expectations will be very high from an off the shelf product.

I wish my Trust had the foresight to invest, but unfortunately we are stuck with the present package for a wee while longer with the top up hacks to add to functionality.

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Joe

If you don't mind me asking, what was the name/supplier of the database that impressed you so much? confused

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I'm not one to promote a product normally, I have no vested interest in this system whatsoever.

I can say the EMAT presentation and particularly the in depth Q&A session that followed impressed both myself, and the engineer (ex database programmer) that attended.

I think what was most apparent was the progress of development in line with modern/changing requirements.

I am not aware of any other system that incorporates specific modules or *really good* functionality for CNST/SFBH user training or a library module with functionality to this level.

To see what has progressed, improved and added to their system over the past 2-3 years really does put shame on the systems that were developed 5 years ago. I am a firm believer in continual improvement and modernisation.

Full web access, form/letter/mail merge for reports etc all added to the functionality.

I did discuss with Paul some other suggested areas for development within the main program such as scripting or macro commands, but essentially these are just the big frills on a very nice cake.

I think what inspired additionl confidence in the product was the ability to use access / crystal reports to use the same paperwork systems we already use, or hack additional functionality if needed out of an already existing full package.

Just need that pricing guide now Paul if you are looking to make sure we wont have to remortgage the department to get it :p

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I have used WIMS, SEMS, SHIRE and now OPTIM. With out doubt OPTIM is the best so far but it took a lot of work to get it to a point where it meets most of our needs.

Tec support used to be ad hoc but is much better organised now. Product development however is still a mystery to me.

What I would strongly recommend, and it was alluded to previously, is sort out your data NOW whatever system you are looking at. Rubbish in = Rubbish out. We merged two databases into OPTIM. I was confident that our SEMS data was OK and only the SHIRE system held loads of rubbish. How wrong I was. They both held their own little features. Small ‘problems’ that you ignore or can get away with on your current system will be exaggerated many fold when you come to convert your data. You can not invest too much time in sorting out your current data.

Second recommendation; Change all your hardware so everyone is on the same operating system, build version, service pack etc... Dont make do whith what you happen to have. That way when you fix a bug it applies to all users and you don’t need 12 separate fixes! (Bitter experience.)

With OPTIM you will need good local IT support or someone within your department who can develop their SQL skills. We didn’t need this with SEMS, but then you couldn’t do anything with SEMS either. With that in mind I expect this will apply to any of the new, more flexible, systems.

Have fun.


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Interestingly, threads about computer-based maintenance systems regularly continue to crop up on this forum from time to time. Those of you who have seen my earlier missives touching on this subject may wish to skip this post (?), but new-comers may like to hear some advice from someone who has been involved, on and off, with maintenance, stock control, inventory (etc.) systems since the good old days of dBASE on DOS platforms.

I have come to believe that systems should be highly configurable. For example, what do you do if your previous system used a twelve-character control No. (or whatever) and the new system only allows ten characters? Or, what if you like to search on manufacturer, model (or whatever) and the new system needs a control No. key-field (and you don’t like the idea of using “codes”). What if the new system doesn’t handle risk-based maintenance (but you want this), or uses PM frequencies when you prefer intervals (yes, there is a difference). What if the system does not handle spare parts stock control (oh, really?), or cannot forecast PM workloads? etc., etc., etc. ...

Surely systems of such flexibility are available? Well, perhaps they are (although I have yet to see one outside my own PC). No doubt the well-known actor in this field who is a sponsor of this forum will happily re-model their system in any way you want (but at what price?). What we must remember is that “biomed” is, in the great scheme of things, a small market sector. Economies of scale don’t apply, and we are left with expensive bespoke (and, sadly, often restrictive and disappointing) computer programs. They are supposed to help us work more efficiently, but in actual fact often force us to work in torturous ways dictated by the whims of the programmer (dare I cite “centi-hours” here?).

Do I have an axe to grind? Indeed yes. As a freelancer who has offered bespoke solutions myself, but never got a taste (from biomeds in the British NHS, that is). For some perverse reason, that I’ve never really understood, people seem to prefer to purchase expensive, but mediocre off-the-shelf “solutions” rather that engage someone to come along and solve the actual problems for them cheaply and efficiently. Probably a case similar to the “nobody was ever fired for buying IBM” syndrome, I suppose (also known, I believe, as CYA).

Meanwhile many biomed departments carry on quite happily with home-grown systems that have evolved, honed to perfection even, over the years. One point that some may fail to realize is that the best (if not all) of the “industry standard” systems (such as Medi-Mizer, for example) started out as the in-house program hacked out by some good old biomed somewhere (the United States, usually). There are, I would guess, hundreds of such home-grown programs still in daily use (or, perhaps, hidden in some dusty corner of hard-drives) around the world. I wish they could all be submitted into the public domain (I’d be glad to consider purchasing any such program, by the way).

All you really need is a relational database linked to a list of the equipment you service. The master list links to other datafiles such as jobs, manufacturer, model, parts, PM history, PM procedures, user etc. In this way you don't have to duplicate data entry, as the related-to datafiles act as look-up lists. This is fundamental stuff, but as with everything else, the basics need to be got right! User interfaces are cosmetic, leaving you to make it as pretty, clever, or as bare-boned as you like (and as time permits). It doesn’t actually matter whether you use Windows Vista, good old DOS or anything else in between, as long as you can run some decent database software. Personally, I like FoxPro (probably because I've spent thousands of hours with it), but I should imagine that good work can be done in Access also.

Lastly, why not do what Joe Emmerson has done (before he became excited by E-MAT, that is)? By simply using the tools that most of you are staring at right now (ie, Microsoft Access, Excel and Word) he developed his own system. Then it will be (and do) whatever you want it to be (and do). Joe’s system is tailored exactly to what he wants, and does all that he needs. How much did it cost? Well, you can ask Joe that one, but I guess it was just a hundred or so hours of his time. But you can start small. After all, what else (of any use) were you planning to do this weekend? You NHS guys are so lucky to have all this stuff at your finger tips.

So there it is:-

Home-grown is best (it will do what you actually want, and you can develop it as your department evolves). It is also the cheapest, and you retain control (an important point when you think about it).

Do it yourself (and if you can’t, bring in some-one who can). Freelance people such as myself are available for assisting in developing and maintaining equipment management systems (and a host of other one-off tasks besides).

Remember, you can do a lot yourself with the tools you have right now. In fact you can do much worse than start off with simple databases in Microsoft Excel! smile


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Guys

Obviously OPTIM is not a database of choice with you all. Do any of you out there use the new modified version of Bacqtraq that has been developed with the help of Edinburgh Royal that could give me their views as I chair a database group for my sins and need unbiased views from outwith Lothian.

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I understand that Philips is planning to produce version 5. I do hope they change the time entry to hours/minutes rather than the current hours/centi-hours! Unless they decide to change to the 10 month year?? grin

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... and a ten-day week? Just think what you could get done! smile


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