I'm sure that it has been said before but, the whole point about upgrading qualifications is for the future. Many people are in general agreement that they are not really necessary. However, given that the aim is for 50% of school leavers to get degrees, shouldn't we be aiming to be part of that.

We have enough trouble getting recognition as it is, without further hampering our position by saying that we should only look to recruiting from the lower 50%.

AfC and KSF won't really matter if the expectation isn't there. If we aim low, that is where we will end up.

Things change and move on. When I started out in the big wide world I did an apprenticeship and got a C&G. Who even considers C&G these days? Moving to the NHS, I subsequently did an HNC as this was what was recognised under the old MPT system. Is the move to degrees any different? I don't think so.

As for continually running down graduates, I am sure that there are as many 'horror stories' relating to people with ONC/HNC/HND.