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#17161 27/05/05 12:39 PM
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Have you been matched yet? You can insist on going in yourself and not as a family member. Your manager can not stop you doing this. Don't sign you JD unless it shows what specialist work you do.


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#17162 27/05/05 1:53 PM
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If you read the JE Handbook you will find the following guidance on factor 2:
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General points
2.2 Qualifications can provide a useful indicator of the level of knowledge required. Training towards
qualifications is also one means of acquiring the knowledge required for a job (other means include on
the job training, short courses and experience). Indicative qualifications are given in the guidance notes.
This does not mean that there is a requirement to hold any particular qualification for a job to be scored
at the level in question, but that the knowledge required must be of an equivalent level to the stipulated
qualification.
2.3 On the other hand, if a job does genuinely require the knowledge acquired through a specified formal
qualification, then this should be taken into account when assessing the job.
Specific Points
5. The Difference Between Levels 5 and 6
5.1 There must be a clear step in knowledge requirements between Levels 5 and 6, so for both healthcare
professional (e.g. Nurse, Allied Health Professional, Biomedical Scientist jobs) and non-healthcare
professional (e.g. HR, accountant, librarian, IT) jobs a distinct addition of knowledge to what was
acquired during basic training and required for professional practice.
5.2 This additional knowledge may be acquired by various routes:
(1) Normal training and accreditation, as for District Nurse, Health Visitor.
(2) Other forms of training/learning e.g. long or combination of short courses or structured
self-study.
(3) Experience.
(4) Some combination of (2) and (3).
In broad terms the additional knowledge for Level 6 should equate to post-registration or post-graduate
diploma level (that is, between first degree/registration and master’s level), but there is no requirement to
hold such a diploma.
5.3 It is important to note that not all experience delivers the required additional knowledge for Level 6.
Simply doing a job for a number of years may make the jobholder more proficient at doing the job, but
does not always result in additional knowledge. Also, while most additional knowledge, particularly for
healthcare professional jobs, is specialist knowledge (that is, homing in on an area of practice and
deepening the knowledge of that area acquired during basic training), some is a broadening of basic
knowledge to a level which allows the jobholder to undertake all areas of practice without any guidance
or supervision.
5.4 For additional specialist knowledge, indicators of Level 6 knowledge, acquired primarily through
experience, are, e.g. a requirement to have worked:
1. In the specialist area and with practitioners from own or another profession who are experienced
in this area.
2. In the specialist area and to a clear programme of knowledge development, for example, rotating
through all aspects of the specialist work, attending appropriate study days and short courses,
undertaking self-study.
5.5 For additional breadth of knowledge, examples of Level 6 are:
(1) The Midwife, who undertakes a formal mentoring or praeceptorship to achieve a level of
knowledge allowing the full sphere of midwifery practice to be undertaken.
(2) The Community Psychiatric Nurse, where the jobholder would need to have acquired sufficient
additional post-registration knowledge through experience as a nurse in a mental health setting
to be able to work autonomously in the community.
(3) The Specialist Physiotherapist, where the jobholder needs additional knowledge acquired
through (formal and informal) specialist training and experience in order to be able to manage a
caseload of clients with complex needs.
(4) A Human Resources professional required to have sufficient additional knowledge gained
through experience to be able to be the autonomous HR adviser for a directorate or equivalent
organisational area, or for an equivalent subject area of responsibility.
(5) An accountancy job requiring knowledge gained through professional qualifications plus
sufficient additional knowledge of health service finance systems to be responsible for the
accounts for one or more directorates.
(6) An estates management job requiring knowledge gained through professional qualifications
(or equivalent vocational qualifications) plus sufficient additional knowledge of health service
capital procurement procedures and practices to be able to manage part or all of the capital.
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Useing this I have , for the specialist posts(MTO3), worded thier JD's accordingly
Qualifications:
Relevant Degree or equivalent level of knowledge.Specialist courses for medical devices.

Knowledge & Experience:
Broad knowledge of medical systems and application.Extensive practical experience in mechanical and electronic workshop practices for at least 6 years post qualification applied to Medical DevicesSpecialist training on the maintenance and repair of a range of medical devices.
This is similar to other jobs that have been given a level6 on the KT&E factor. It comprises of the BEng(or Equivalent) and addional specialist knowledge.
If you dont have the BEng. it dosnt realy matter, what does is the combiation of your original qualification + additional knowledge and training.
After all you must have gained some over the years.
Medjuh
Your JD is not the same as a Job Advert for a new post.
Perhaps you could persuade your manager to withdraw your JD so it can be updated in line with the 'new profile'.
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Surf's up se ya later
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I hope the panel see it that way!

#17163 27/05/05 2:53 PM
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Thanks for that, Dicky/PhilC. It all comes down to a sympathetic manager and individual matching I think. Unless we intend to have all current MTO3s as specialists where I work that is.

#17164 31/05/05 10:45 AM
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AndyF,

Just to change the subject, slightly. You say you have been job matching since last September? Have you any news as to the probable banding of Equipment Library technicians/co-ordinators?
I’ll understand if you are ‘not allowed to say’, however, I’m just curious?

Roger…


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#17165 31/05/05 11:59 AM
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Roger

We have no equipment library here in Carlisle.
There is no national profile for Equipment Library Technicians. If we were to get one to match we would probably try to go for a band match to one of the med tech profiles.


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Bullsh*t and brilliance only come with age and experience.
#17166 15/07/05 2:17 PM
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Roger,

We have two people working in our equipment library. One is an MTO2 (but not technical) and the other employed on Nursing Auxilary (?) TOC. Their JD's are pretty much identical allowing for the MTO being a bit more supervisory. So this could be quite a hot spot.

The profile choice would depend whether you were technical or not. Is it mainly storage, cleaning and stock control? The main emphasis of the JD is where the matching panel will start.

As I've said elsewhere - become a member of a Union (I'm GMB) and get representation. Due to the small numbers of Staff Side, they do know their stuff.

Andy


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