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Patience, brother Eddie, patience! smile


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Living out here mate Im used to it lol!

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On the subject of the Drager Primus, does anyone (Geoff?) have any opinions regarding their ease of use, service, repairs, spares cost and availability in a geographically-isolated situation (and can they make a good cup of tea..oh, sorry, that would be a Primus STOVE)?!

We have some Ohmeda Excel II's which we want to plan to replace, and I'd appreciate any input.

Thanks.

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Reassuringly Expensive springs to mind !!!

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The Primus? It's a great classic stove, as you mention (please accept this in the spirit intended)!

But, as regards the Dräger ... well, in the circumstances that prevail where you are, I think I would get stocked up on spares and persevere with what you already have. Presuming, of course, that they have served you well thus far.

But here's my chance (once again) to promote the engineering approach. Why not draw up your spec first? Supposedly, considering where you are, all the points you mention have a relatively high weighting (as opposed to some of the modern features of the Primus and contemporary machines). I would also add "demanding" climatic conditions (humidity, especially), and irregularity of mains power etc. Both things that can easily lead to the early demise of modern kit (as you must well know).

Coupled with:- why are you changing? I'm guessing that would be because young anaesthetists want the latest knobs and whistles (and probably "can't work without them").

Then, when looking carefully at your list (spec), you may well find that the simplest machine would suit you best. You can then look, for example (and with an open mind, we hope), upon offerings from China (as in, let the sunshine in), or even perhaps, the famous Glostavent!

But why not think British? We need all the help we can get! smile


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yeah eddie, u rite.. huuh.. one more thing, is any way we can manage to minimize the defectiveness of water trap. because it quite a number we have to replaced it and I want to know what are the thing that can spoilt the water trap.

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The water trap was upgraded sometime ago the newer ones have a green dot on the inside surface of the top. its supposed to be changed at regular intervals, but you can drain it by sticking a syringe on one of the legs protuding out of the top, as per user manual.

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Originally Posted By: TonyR
On the subject of the Drager Primus, does anyone (Geoff?) have any opinions regarding their ease of use, service, repairs, spares cost and availability in a geographically-isolated situation (and can they make a good cup of tea..oh, sorry, that would be a Primus STOVE)?!

We have some Ohmeda Excel II's which we want to plan to replace, and I'd appreciate any input.

Thanks.

Hi Tony smile
Our Primus is an older model so it doesnt need disposable O2 sensors. Some "teething" problems during the install but then its all gravy. I've forgotten my Primus service training as I rarely go to do work on it. We got the machine inspite of the local dealer as Draeger was actively supporting us.
We also have Julian so it was easy for the endusers to get acquainted with the machine.
It was a difficult decision between Drager and Penlon. It came down to enduser choice.

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hye, i try to remove all the hoses after I shutdown the machine. tomorrow I run the self test, the O2 sensor still failed. Is it other factor that cntribute for example environment humadity or etc. I read in manual, it stated that when calibration was done, ILCA solenoid valve is switcehd to room air. What this means, is this also contributes to O2 calibration....

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Hello, I have a Primus with a problem. In the Autotest the ventilation mode fails on the Electronic paramether. The little circle turns yellow instead of green.
The message displayed is "Failure in internal ventilator for the gas evacuation"

Can somebody help me to solve this alarm?

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