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They'll love that in what they are calling it 'a period of austerity'

Why not (both are being paid for by the taxpayer)?

If you want efficiency, then something like that (that is, properly organised) is what it takes.

About recruitment and retention ... young techs should be falling over themselves to join. After all, there aren't that many decent tech jobs around these days.

So, if they're not queuing up to start (and don't stay on once they have been trained up) - ask yourself why that is. OK, here's a clue:- real leadership within the "trade" (as in, lack of). Either that or the "biomed ethos" is not being properly sold. What else can it be?

Someone has to pay. Who do you suggest - me?

Much as you would like to run a Biomed Service to the NHS on military lines, its never going to happen.
I for one, left that mindset firmly behind with my beret when I handed it in (all those years ago).

Close the Hangar door and move on Geoff, your viewpoint though interesting on this issue, is out of touch.
If I have any queries regarding military Biomed's I will of course defer to your relevant experience.......

I closed the hanger door (firmly) 27 years ago, Pal. But I have been involved in various other ventures and projects since then, you know. I know what works - and it's not wishy-washy management, believe me!

I am not advocating running anything on "military lines" (you obviously must have missed my earlier criticisms of the "Arborfield Model"), but simply a properly organised approach.

Unlike you, it would seem, I believe I can think "outside of the box", or whatever the Baboons like to call imaginative thinking. After all, it's hardly Rocket Science, is it?

But it's clear to me that most of you guys are, in fact, very content with your Cosy Little World just the way it is.

If you are not interested in further conversation, then why prolong the thread? Or, in other words, why keep moaning about your already entirely adequate pay and conditions?

Meanwhile, perhaps you had better give us a list of folk you will tolerate responding to your thread. In that way we will all know where we stand.

I think your mindset is clearly displayed by anyone familiar with this forum, Geoff.
Closed the hangar door firmly 27 years ago? Check your avatar, I think it speaks volumes.

It is becoming increasingly clear that your quite happy to dish it out and criticise others, (on numerous issues) but when the table is turned, you don’t like it, mate.

You are more often than not having a go at the NHS, most of it not constructive. I can only surmise that this is due to some unfulfilled career aspirations or petty jealousy.

Unless you can be objective, and constructive in your criticisms, feel free to carry on and marginalise yourself, (even further).

Sorry Mate, but you're wrong on all counts there, I'm afraid.

I welcome criticism. It takes a man, you know. OK ... fire away!

Mind-set? Yeah, I have one. One of my own, that is.

But jealousy? Ha, ha. Only in your dreams, Sean. But you're having a laugh, right?

But what's the point of having an Open Forum if everyone agrees?

Anyway, in order to spare everyone else the pain of reading barbed comments, I shall refrain from posting again to your thread (let's see if anyone else does) ....

PS: nice avatar you've got there, by the way.

I doubt anybody will pay for at least three years while the com/dem government is in power. You'll just get a drop in student numbers.

Then after the next election as Mervyn King put it the current government will be unelectable for a generation and we'll be back to Labour with probably a package for poor students.

"You are more often than not having a go at the NHS, most of it not constructive. I can only surmise that this is due to some unfulfilled career aspirations or petty jealousy."

I think that you might have touched a raw nerve!

Then you would be wrong!